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Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2013-01-17 23:43:58Z

Depending on the time, I follow leads in different directions. Time spent is directly related to time available. Always interested in the Munley line. I was 27 when William died in 1984. Actually, my younger brothers knew him better as they lived in the same city and saw him regularly. Would gladly give any info I have.

His father, John, died in Flint, when he lived with William and his family on Church St. Without looking, I believe Edward Legree gave info for the death certificate, which is a bit lacking.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

marilynwilliams3358 — 2013-01-17 18:22:26Z

I have a few more scraps of information on William Munley. I am curious if you are still actively researching him. If so, lets talk. Based on what you have written so far, we are first cousins twice removed.

Re: Detroit Fireman

rosio_oneill — 2012-02-17 17:59:35Z

Looking for Walter C. Wittwer a Detroit fireman in the early 1920's
Thank You
Rose

Re: Daniel Moriarty--Naturalized Where??

snoflax61 — 2012-02-03 20:07:46Z

I am Daniel Moriarty's great great grand daughter. His daughter Kate Moriarty is my great grandmother. She married John Harrington. Their son Daniel (Edward) Harrington is my grandfather and his son John is my father.
Daniel was born on December 25th 1824 and passed away on Nov. 19th 1921. He was living with his daughter Kate when he passed away. Kate was born in 1866 in Eagle Harbor, Keweenaw, Michigan and she passed away in Anaconda MT in 1953. I have both on my family tree if you would like any more info. What I show is he arrived in 1863 and was living in Calumet Houghton MI in 1870.

Re: Wilbur and Dougherty, Saginaw Michigan mid 1800s

tomil42 — 2011-12-04 20:52:34Z

I am looking for ancestors in Griesheim. I understand it was a Catholic village. Were your ancestors also Catholic and if so, have you any information on the church in or near that village?

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

MFraser8296 — 2011-09-03 03:39:42Z

I am working on the family tree for my son-in-law, who is descended from Gertrude MUNLEY (and her husband Arthur ALARIE), one of the 11 you mention here. Do you have any additional information on when/where John Munley and Mariagh were married, or where in Canada their families were living when they were born?

Thank you.

Re: Fitzgibbon and the 14th Michigan Infantry

civilwarjustice — 2011-04-24 15:26:06Z

He was court-martialed twice

See http://www.TheIndexProject.com

Re: Ryan, Kelley, Clancy

KayAnn38 — 2011-02-16 14:13:13Z

Angela, if you go to familysearch.org and enter what you know, you will find the marriage license of John Warren and Katherine and the names of the parents of each.

Re: Ryan, Kelley, Clancy

KayAnn38 — 2011-02-16 14:05:40Z

Angela,

With a death date of abt 1880 for the father of John Warren Clancy, there should be a death certificate---State of Michigan or Washtenaw County.

Good luck.

Kay

Ryan, Kelley, Clancy

angelatarver — 2011-02-14 18:33:48Z

My great-grandfather, John Warren Clancy, was born in Northfield, 1877. He married Kathleen Frances Ryan (Ann Arbor, born 1893). Kathleen was daughter of John William Ryan and Katherine Caraher. I cannot find any concrete info about John Warren Clancy's parents. I did find an entry on the 1880 census (John, age 3) with mother "Maggie" who was widowed (spelled "Clansey").

My grandparents, Josephine Clancy (Ann Arbor, born 1919) and Henry Edward Kelley (Maine origin, born 1920), were married in Ann Arbor in 1945.

Any information you have about any branch of this tree would be helpful.

Re: CARROLL

murjef — 2011-01-06 23:23:35Z

Hi Imhoga:

Since my post I have found the Carroll family I was searching for. As far as I am aware I have no Isabell in my family tree, but your Grandmother may be a descendant of an earlier emigrant to the U.S. Perhaps you can find information on the entrance of your family members into the States on the Ellis Island Website or the US Census both of which are excellent sources of information. With a little more info we may be able to trace a connection.

Good luck

Murjef

Re: CARROLL

lmhoga — 2011-01-04 04:29:55Z

Dear sir or madam:

My fathers mothers maiden name was Carroll. In fact this whas my fathers middle name. His mother's name was Isabell, who is a Carroll. Her siblings were Donny, Milton, Dorothy. I don't know much about their mother and father. I believe that the father drove a truck. Maybe a fuel truck. My Grandmother Isabell is 85 years old and all of her siblings have passed. I am trying to find information re: the Carroll family.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

marilynwilliams3358 — 2010-05-09 23:17:44Z

It sounds like we are distantly related through William Munley and Mary O'Hara. Perhaps we need to figure out exactly how.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

cpsmith55 — 2010-05-09 15:33:17Z

Thanks, I still haven't found out any data regarding Patrick except his headstone with the dates 1868 - 1880, located next to William's. Since he died in 1880 he is not listed in the 1880 federal census. Also I don't think William and Mary emigrated to Michigan (via Canada)until after 1870 since there last child born in Canada was in 1870 thus missing the 1870 census.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

cpsmith55 — 2010-05-09 15:02:00Z

Thank you. I did have a breakthrough yesterday (before your post) and found William's headstone in the Old St. Patrick's Cemetery, Bay City, MI, listed in Block 3 and 4 survey of the cemetery. Dates on his headstone read 1826 - 1875, which makes sense to me since his child, Maggie, was born in 1874, and the 1880 federal census lists William's wife as a widow. I've attached photos to my tree so you can see them there.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2010-05-09 02:00:56Z

As I'm looking through my Family Tree Maker, I see that I have 6 children listed for William and Mary: Patrick, Michael, James, Mary, William and Maggie. As I said, haven't been doing much recently so am not sure where that all came from. I didn't dig papers out, just the program.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2010-05-09 01:43:52Z

MANLEY, WILLIAM

Date of death: 20-Jan-1875
Ledger Page: 47
Record Number: 10
Place of death: Bay City
County of Death: Bay
Sex: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Age: 50 years
Cause of Death: Suf Of The Lungs
Birthplace: Ireland
Occupation: Laborer
Father's Name: Unknown,
Father's Residence:
Mother's Name: ,
Mother's Residence:
Date of record: 17-Apr-1876

Michigan Department of Community Health

I've got a suspicion that this the William you're looking for. The name shows up as "Manley", "Manly" here and there. Looks like you're related to the Marilyn in this thread. I haven't spent much time looking recently. I've got pictures of headstones at St. Patrick's in Bay City, many from that Munley side, and will probably take a trip up there one day this summer. My sister still lives there. I'm sure you have read all that preceeded your posting so you're pretty much up to speed. Not sure if I have much else but if I do, you're welcome to it.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

cpsmith55 — 2010-05-07 01:42:34Z

After further research, I have discovered that my grandmother, Mary Munley, born of Michael(Mikel)Munley and Margaret Lipan, is the granddaughter of William Munley and Mary O'Hara. Apparently her grandparents came from Ireland and then to Canada. They had 4 of their children in Canada and their 5th (Maggie)in Bay City, Michigan, according to the 1880 U.S. Federal Census. It is therefore correct to assume that they must have emigrated to Michigan between 1870 - 1874 since their son, William, was born in 1870, in Canada, and their daughter, Maggie, born in 1874 in Michigan. The 1880 census also indicates that Mary O'Hara Munley is a widow which must have occurred between 1874 & 1880 (unless she remarried and had a baby in 1874 by someone else). I have found no information regarding William Munley except his son who died in 1896 and is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery in Bay City, MI, (his mother is buried there as well). I am having trouble connecting William and Mary since I have only found his name on a family record. Any information would be appreciated.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

cpsmith55 — 2010-05-07 01:08:39Z

Correction to earlier post, my grandmother Mary Munley died in 1954, she was married in 1921 to Thomas Cavanaugh.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

cpsmith55 — 2010-04-01 03:00:04Z

I'm just beginning family research on Cavanaugh/Munley in Bay City Michigan. My great grandmother's name was Mary Munley b. 5/28/1901, d. 10/21/1921, Bay City, MI and had a brother, Gerald, b. 12 Jan 1903. She was the daughter of Michael Munley (b. 10/24/1863,/Port Colburn Canada, d. 7/21/1931 Bay City, MI). Michael Munley was married to Margaret /Ellen Lipan or Leipham. Do you have any information that can help figure all this out. Chris Smith

Re: Fitzgibbon and the 14th Michigan Infantry

mick2815 — 2010-01-20 20:46:51Z

I see Captain Thomas Fitzgibbons sword was sold at David Taylors antique store in Ohio recently for $11,000. The catalog states that Captain Fitzgibbon was shot carrying a flag of truce to Johnston from Sherman, at the end of the war. The Confederates apologised and tried to save his life, but he passed away.
I was interested in buying the sword as I am a Civil War fan from Ireland.....but $11,000 is a big sum for a collectible.
my e mail is mick@adcbarcode.com
Mick Heavey, Dublin, Ireland.

Re: Daniel Moriarty--Naturalized Where??

JTRobin — 2010-01-17 02:26:36Z

Daniel lived in Houghton County (upper Michigan) from about 1864 to 1905. Our understanding is that he applied for citizenship on November 6, 1899.

One of his Daughters, Honora, married Joseph Robinson in Houghton January 16, 1900. They moved to Cudahy Wisconson. Honora ("Nora") was my grandmother. We do have some information about Daniel. Nora was the daughter of Daniel's second wife, Margret Crowley. Our records show Daniel had 5 children by his first wife, Nora Sullivan and 7 children by his second wife Margaret.

We would be interested in sharing information.
John Robinson

DUGGAN, DUFFY, QUINN, FOX, O'BRIEN, O'HEARN, DEMPSEY

SowardsFam — 2008-12-04 23:54:08Z

I am searching for DUGGAN, DUFFY, QUINN, FOX, O'BRIEN, O'HEARN, DEMPSEY families in Isabella, Gratiot, Kent, or Washtenaw counties.

My tree: DAVIS O'BRIEN Jun08 is full of Irish families so feel free to dig around in it. Would love to hear of any info, connections, etc.

Karen

Re: Sweeney, Fanning, Fox in Isabella Co

SowardsFam — 2008-12-04 23:50:02Z

I have FOX and FANNING families in my Isabella / Gratiot Co tree: DAVIS O'BRIEN Jun08. Feel free to search it.

Have you looked as the Isabella Co vital records that are available online? http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/isabella/

There is a search feature on their first page for you to enter your surnames, it is very helpful.

Good luck, Karen SowardsFam@aol.com

Re: Michael Magee, Detroit

Eamann — 2008-11-13 11:54:14Z

No need to answer my question about Ford's. I have just done a Google search and found a Ford's genealogical club. I should have done that before asking my question. Mea culpa!

Eamann

Michael Magee, Detroit

Eamann — 2008-11-13 11:50:48Z

Hello!

Does anyone have records on a Michael Magee from Belfast (°1896) who emigrated to Michigan in the 1920's, worked in Ford's, married a lady called Janet ..., had at least two children, George (°1934?) and Brian. I have found a grave which could very well be his in "Grand Lawn Cemetry", Wayne county, Michigan, which gives 1954 as his date of death.

Can anyone tell if it is possible to find worker records at Ford's Motorworks?

Thanks for any help you can give me!

Eamann O Ruairc (Brussels and Belfast)

Re: Wilbur and Dougherty, Saginaw Michigan mid 1800s

mollieree — 2008-09-30 03:18:44Z

My late husband's great Grandmother was Christina Knapp.

She is the daughter of Daniel David Knapp, born in Griesheim/Hesse in 1820 This is near Darmstadt in Germany.
Daniel married Margaret Dahmer, born 1822. He died in 1897 in Normanby twp, Grey County South, Ontario.

They had four children: David b 1846 (wife is Dorothea)

Christine, born August 28, 1853 in Waterloo County, and died in Mt. Clemens, Michigan on Dec. 2,1886. She had married George Schueler on Feb 6, 1872 in Neustadt, Ontario. They had five children; Daniel H. Schueler (1872-1894), Katherine b 1876, Henry, 1878, Barbara (Teller), 1879-1969, and an infant daughter who is buried with her in Clinton Grove Cemetery on Cass Avenuem, Mt. Clemens, MI.

Andrew b 1861

Balthizer b 1866

Re: Wilbur and Dougherty, Saginaw Michigan mid 1800s

denorton — 2008-09-29 23:12:37Z

Nancy, you can reply directly to me at denorton@nortondevelopment.com.

Dennis Norton replying to Knapp inquiry.

Re: Wilbur and Dougherty, Saginaw Michigan mid 1800s

NancyArmstrong53 — 2008-09-28 18:30:53Z

Would like to talk with you regarding the Knapp family. Not sure if I have a current e-mail for you.

CARROLL

murjef — 2008-08-19 23:21:13Z

Searching for descendants of COLUMBUS CAROLL born 1877 in Co Louth, Ireland, son of Patrick Carroll and Alice Murtagh. Believed to have emigrated to U.S. around 1921. May have settled in Mitchigan. Sons served in WW2. Any information would be appreciated

Wilbur and Dougherty, Saginaw Michigan mid 1800s

denorton — 2008-08-17 15:24:51Z

Henry Charles Wilbur, b. 30 Oct 1811 in Brighton, Monroe County NY married Fannie Dougherty b. 15 May 1819 in Ireland. Daughter Mary Ann Wilbur b. 14 Aug 1847 in Michigan. Mary Ann married David Ross of Taymouth Township in 1866. I am looking for parentage of Fannie Doughtery and Henry Wilbur. Also any other information on both the Wilburs and the Doughertys. I have some information to share.
Dennis Norton denorton@nortondeveloment.com

CONNOR and MERCER/County Antrim/Ontario/Michigan

cbaldi38 — 2008-07-29 04:38:46Z

Searching for information on William S. CONNOR family who lived in Newaygo County from about 1873 until about 1878. William's father, Charles W. CONNOR believed to have come to Ontario, Canada from County Antrim, Ireland in about 1830. They lived in a small town called Banner, Ontario.

About 1878 or 1879 the family removed to Fairfax County, VA. They traveled with the MERCER family who were related through William CONNOR's wife Emeline MERCER. Emeline's parents, Jordan and Martha MERCER, Emeline's brothers, Edward and Walter and Edward's family, wife Emma and child Charles MERCER.

Re: DALY in Barry MI

pdz991 — 2008-07-04 01:58:26Z

Please accept my apologies for your father's passing. It's tough to have to go through all the memories, and I'm grateful that you shared the photo of James Daly and your grandfather with me.

You mentioned that they may have known each other from Venezuala or New York...and that this picture was taken in Cuba...very intriguing. Do you have any other information you might be able to tell me? Do you know what was going on in Cuba that would have brought James Daly there? What would you guess to be the date the pic was taken?

Any info would be appreciated, no matter how small.

Best Regards,
Trish Daly

Re: DALY in Barry MI

pdz991 — 2008-06-22 21:40:44Z

Hi Ariane,

I think these are my relatives! This is all very intriguing! Do you have anything else you might share? If you want to contact me off-list, my email is: dalytoo@sbcglobal.net

There's a bit of "mystery" around James Renselaer Daly (originally Renselaer L.). My GrGf, Lawrence appears to have married James R's mother, who would have been his sister-in-law. James' father, James, travelled to Ohio with a brother John Daly in the 1830s. There was a Reselaer JADWIN and a Carlos FISHER who were very close to the James Daly from Ireland.

What is strange is that James and John both "die" within a month of each other in 1843. Sometimes these "deaths" occurred when men left to take jobs elsewhere, and just never came back, or maybe these guys just took off!

All the land that Renselaer inherited, he sold to Lawrence, then moved to MI.

James (the father) initially passed through New York, I believe. I'm looking at this picture wondering if this was a father/son. Do you have any clue?

Thanks a million for posting this reply.
Trish

Re: DALY in Barry MI

ariane55 — 2008-06-22 20:54:55Z

Hi,
My father passed away last year and among his photos I found a photo of my grandfather with a James R. Daly and a Jimmy Daly. I do not know if it is the same one as the one you mentioned but the dates could be right. This photo was taken in Cuba but I think they knew each other from Venezuela or maybe New York.
Hope it is of interest.
Best Regards,
Ariane A. Ascanio

Re: Looking for O'Connors in the Dearborn/Saginaw/Plymoth areas

SallyHoldenDyson1 — 2008-06-05 02:06:41Z

I believe this Charles Frederick O'Connor was first married to Alice P. Warren and had 4 children (possibly only 2 survived: Charles & maybe Alice). Charles was also married to Anna Shepherd and lastly (I think) to Marie St. Cyr of Louisiana. I'm not sure which of the first 2 wives committed suicide (this family legend on our side is that she jumped in front of a train?). I've not found any specific documents to prove it. Alice possibly died in 1914 and Anna would have died bet. 1920-1924. I'd be very interested in exchanging info! Contact me at longtalsally@comcast.net.
TIA
Sally Holden Dyson

Patrick Murphy

SherriSeymour — 2008-03-05 13:18:34Z

Patrick Murphy immigrated to Calumet, Michigan and I am looking for more information. His wifes name may have been Ellen Sullivan

Re: Fenian Brotherhood in Michigan

KieranMaxwell51 — 2008-02-24 15:45:40Z

Hi,

Have you tried your query on fenians@rootsweb.com ? They have fascinating information on the fenian brotherhood.

Kieran

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2008-02-07 12:30:40Z

Sorry Marilyn,

As I re-read what I posted, it seemed as though I was saying that Michael and Patrick lived in the same house with Mary. Not the case. They live in a house together and not with Mary.

Just wanted to clarify.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2008-02-07 01:51:01Z

In 1887, Mary (wms' widow)lived in a house with Mary, a daughter, James, Michael, and William.

In the same directory, it lists another Michael (fireman) and Patrick as living in the same dwelling. They are my ggf's brothers. My ggf, John, was listed as a fireman who lived on the same street as his father, also named John.

The year before, Michael the fireman, is listed as living with Mary. I do know that he went to Minnesota at some time and I had heard it was Hibbing. Did learn he died in St. Louis, MN and have sent for death certificates within the past couple of days on both him and his wife. Will let you know if that leads anywhere.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

marilynwilliams3358 — 2008-01-28 02:15:27Z

Mike:

I do not know who William's siblings were. I don't have the information. However, maybe you have a missing piece to this. Are those other possible siblings related to you in some way?

Its too bad all of those names are so common.

Gerry Munley is a cousin. Or I should say WAS, he died in 1999. That means his son in Lansing is also a cousin. Gerry was the grandson of Michel Munley who was the son of William and Mary. Gerry's father was also named Gerald.

Anyway, we are probably related somewhere in here. The last name doesn't seem real common unless its been derived from one of the other spellings over the years.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2008-01-28 00:40:32Z

Hello Marilyn,Haven't made a connection with Mary and William. I think you mentioned this but Mary's William didn't make it to Bay City. You thought he died in Ireland, if I remember correctly. Always thought there was something there but nothing concrete to connect.Did Wm. (Anna's husband) have brothers named James, Richard, and Michael? Also a sister named Mary?I do not have the ship's name, nor have I come across any passenger lists with mention of my relatives. I was wondering if you had seen this http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.munley/159/mb.ashx It is very interesting and speaks to Mayo Munnellys from that area going into Canada. Are you any relation to Fr. Munley over in the Lansing area? At least that's where he was at one time. I believe he is the son of Gerald Munley who lived in Owosso.Sorry I've posed more questions than answers. Other than that, I hope all is well.Mike Munley

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

marilynwilliams3358 — 2007-12-09 01:04:19Z

I was looking closer at my family tree after you said your Munley family came out of Canada. I see that my ggf William Munley married Anna McCorry. He was from Welland, Ontario. His parents were William Munley and Mary O'Hara. Do any of these names tie into your lineage? If so, we may have a connection.

Please let me know.

Thanks,
Marilyn

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

marilynwilliams3358 — 2007-11-26 19:02:55Z

Robert Munley is my uncle and godfather. He used to own that airport you mentioned. He and I have pooled our data. Some branches I found went back to 1620. Unfortunately, I can only get Munley data back to approximately 1850.

Irene was my grandmother. Some of the other names you mentioned are likely relatives, though I haven't worked out their connection too well. They are probably distant cousins.

What I find interesting is that Munley is not an especially common name. The lines are pretty distinct, which makes me wonder if they originate from the same place and are all related.

My grandfather, William Munley died young at the age of 57 and all of his history died with him. I have been trying to get memories of my relatives from my father, my uncle Robert (whom you met), and my aunt. There isn't a whole lot to go on.

What I do know, and you probably do too, if you've been working on Irish geneology long enough, is that the records were stored in Dublin. There was a fire there around 1927 that destroyed most everything. Irish history is hard to follow unless you know enough about your family's locations to get church records.

One other tip I could offer is that there are some online Bay City directories that list residents, the people that lived in their house, and their occupations. Based on that, I was able to fill in some blanks that were unclear in the census data.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2007-11-26 03:39:34Z

Read this one last. Sorry. My Munley connection was in Bay City. My gf was born there. He was one of the 11 I mentioned. He died there as well.

I did see that there were a number of Wayne Co. Munleys in the 1930 census. I take it that those would be yours; Thomas, Michael, Oleen, Irene, Josephine, Gerald, Joseph, and Sadie.

My direct line was in Genesee Co. at that time.

I would be more than happy to share any info I have.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2007-11-26 03:22:01Z

We came in through Canada. My ggf, John dob 3/9/1857, his brothers, Patrick 5/1/1855 and Michael 10/1/1861 were all born in Canada. A younger brother, Thomas, was born in Michigan in 1868.

They lived in close proximity to Mary at one time, which led me to believe that there was some relationship. I will have to dig out the papers with their addresses on it. That may take until during the holiday break for me.

I know there was a Robert Munley, who had something to do with the airport on m13 in Bay City. I stopped and spoke with him many years ago.

The other Munleys, who we did not know or never met, lived in Owosso. The father, Jerry, worked at an auto dealership and they also owned a dry cleaning business. One of his daughters went to high school at the same time as I did. His son became a priest and was working in the Lansing, MI area. A friend of mine was principal at the school in his parish and she spoke once to him about the name and a possible Bay City connection. He told her that his father did come from there originally but did not know of any connection to anyone there. Rather bizarre.

I'll see if I can get those addresses from the papers with Marys name on it.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

marilynwilliams3358 — 2007-11-25 17:45:26Z

After writing that last post, I took a look at the tree I have so far. It appears that William and Mary are my great grandparents. To my knowledge, Mary came here from Ireland after William died. That is why there is no information on him anywhere. I believe he died in Ireland.

My father recently acknowledged that there was another Munley family in Bay City that they didn't know. Perhaps it was yours. Its sounding like that anyway. Did your group originate in PA? I am wondering if that was the source of all the Bay City settlement considering so many Munleys seem to live in that region.

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

marilynwilliams3358 — 2007-11-25 17:38:10Z

The Munleys "closer to Detroit" are none other than my father, brother, and mother! I suppose I could certainly help you there.

They come from the Bay City group you wrote of by way of my father. So, my maiden name is Munley.

I see you are a Munley too. Do you belong in the Bay City group or are you from another branch of Munleys?

Some of those you listed already are definitely relatives. Perhaps we can pool our knowledge and help one another build our trees.

Take care,
Marilyn

Re: Munley family members in Michigan

mmunley166 — 2007-11-25 02:39:58Z

I have a bit of info on the Munleys in Michigan. However, there does seem to be a few splits along the way. My grandfather was one of 11. Francis, Mary Agnes, Anna T., Elizabeth, Katherine, John Edward, William Michael, James, Gertrude B., Thomas Earl, and Helen Marie. They were born in Bay City, MI. The first in 1883, the last in 1902. They were the children of John Munley and Mariah Madigan both born in Canada. John was the son of John Munley and Bridget McGuerin, born in 1820 and 1825 respectively, in Ireland. They had four sons Patrick, John, Michael, and Thomas.

There was another group of Munleys living in Bay City at the time. Off the top of my head, I believe the mother's name was Mary and she was married to William. William was deceased at the time of the records I have and the sons of Mary lived close to her or with her in Bay City. The two families did not talk, to my knowledge, at least at the time my grandfather and father lived in Bay City.

There is also a group of Munleys in Owosso, who did originate from the Bay City group and did not know of the Bay City connection.

There are a few closer to the Detroit area but I do not know of their origins.

If there is any way I can help with the group, with which I am familiar, please let me know.

Re: Detroit Fireman

cherylmichigan — 2007-11-05 14:47:26Z

Sorry Al I dont' have any pics of George Holt. You could try getting some info from The Detroit Firemens Fund at 313-961-2988. They are the unoffical historians for the DFD. They'll at least have his quitting papers.