This is all so great... Thanks for your help. I think the alternate version of the name might be how they spelled it in Germany? The names do match up. It's interesting that he isn't listed on board. I was Joseph Sr came to the USA around 1876... That he left the family in Germany and was perhaps sponsored here in the US by a family. Maybe he didnt return to get them, maybe they followed him after? That is definitely them though, the dates match the citizenship paperwork I found in my grandfathers house for Joseph Jr.