Medieval Genealogy - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Sources and Reliability - Blomefield's History of Norfolk

sunnylew75 — 2 Oct 2008 10:41:45 GMT

I have many questions, but this one dictates all of the olthers:

Does anyone here have an idea of how much trust should be placed in Blomefield's History of Norfolk?

I am currently tracing the de Bokenham/de Snetterton family who held the Manor of Old Hall in Snetterton, Shropham, Norfolk.

I first looked in Maudsley's Notes and extracts concerning the Bukenhams or Bokenhams of Norfolk, which is as the name say: a compilation of extracts copied from other sources. He paraphrases or directly quotes large sections of Blomefield, but upon reading Blomefield's text their are many discrepancies - and I've only checked up to page 6 of Maudsley's book so far.

So now I feel that Blomefield must be trustworthy - he actually looked at these old records I think.

Does anyone know if this is so?

If I trust him, then in two paragraphs I have the bones of my family history for 500 odd years. If I don't, well pretty much every other writer I can find has followed him and I don't know where to begin. I am having a hard time finding even a reference to where the records he looked at are now kept, or where he found them originally.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated,

Lewis

Huncote Parish, England

SLGon — 21 Mar 2004 7:09:37 GMT

I am a descendant of the William Huncote who came to the US in the 1600's. If anyone has any information please email me!

Richard Fitzalan, Earl of Arundel

rubyredgemz — 15 Apr 2002 7:35:09 GMT

I am looking for information on Richard Fitzalan, Earl of Arundel. He was beheaded at Tower Hill, London by Richard II.

I have some information, but would welcome anybody's knowledge.

Thanks!

Father of Albrecht VI von Everstein

lhagelee11 — 22 Sep 2008 10:19:13 GMT

The Europaische Stammtafeln Detlev Schewnnicke Neue Floge 1978 Tafel 83 lists Albrecht VI von Everstein married to Marianne and father as Ludvig I Graf von Everstein and mother as Adela von Gleichen. However Danmarks Adels Aabog seems to differ from that. While somewhat hard to follow the numbering and letter system it would appear that Eberstein in DAA 1892 pages 100-104 does show Albert Greve af Ebersein married to Grevinde Mariane page 102 but with a father listed as Diderik Greve af Eberstein married to Grevinde af Gleichen. Have I misread the DAA listing or do these two sources really differ and if so is there a consensus on which is correct.

Godiva and William The Conquerer

clivegpugh — 13 Nov 2007 9:16:10 GMT

Hi
I am looking for confirmation or otherwise of the following

Part of my trail has traced back to Estmond Earl of Mercia and his wife Godiva.

Many sites continually refer to Godiva as sister to WTC daughter Of Robert the Magnificent and his Mistress Harlette or Arlette

My problem is that Godivas birth date is around 1076. Bothher supposed parents were dead long before this date

Here are some examples of links

If you copy and paste the following links in your browser you'll see.

http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/Search/frameset_search.asp?P...

Also

http://www.gedcoms4u.com/individual.php?pid=I81433&ged=a...

And

http://www.gedcoms4u.com/individual.php?pid=I29704&ged=a...

Does anyone have any info on this one way or the other

my email is clive.pugh@sky.com

Many thanks

Best Regards

Clive

PESTELL family - Priests, poets and pirates

KenPestell — 21 Mar 2008 9:38:30 GMT

I am trying to confirm a link which I beleive exists between the Pestell family of Colmworth, Beds., the Reverends Thos Pestell of Packington, Leics., and Captain William Pestell of Ratcliffe, London.
In the 1660s the Rev. Pestell (sen), who was a minor English poet, had in his possession a coat of arms which he described as being derived from the Pestells of Colmworth. His son states that the Arms were sent to them by a "kinsman" who was a captain of one of his Majesty's ships, and that the Arms were recorded at the Herald's office upon the restoration of Charles II. Burkes Armoury refers to such arms being granted in 1648 to a Captain William Pestell.
Capt. William seems to have had quite a colourful career in the interregnum and restoration navy and to have profited well from prize ships taken during the Anglo-Dutch wars, apart from being a paid government informer on the Fifth Monarchy movement. He eventually met his end during a raid on the Dutch forts on the Island of Goree, off Senegal, 1664/5

If any one is researching this family and period and can offer any help I would be most grateful.

Ken

Odard de Dutton

raywarburton — 25 Mar 2008 7:49:19 GMT

I wonder if anyone has any views on the following:

Odard came to England with William the Conqueror and was given lands in Cheshire. He took the name de Dutton. Families of Duttons and Warburtons were descended from him.

In looking into just who he was I find two alternative stories:

1. He was one of 6 brothers, sons of William d'Eu, and therefore a direct descendant of the Dukes of Normandy.

2. He was the son of Ivron, Viscount of Cotentin.

Anybody got any views on which might be correct?

My information is from the Dutton section of the American Colonial Origins site at
Rootsweb which quotes from "Leycester's Historical Antiquities" published in 1673 by Peter
Leycester, baronet, plus a footnote from Gilbert Cope. (Google Odard and it's the first hit). The
footnote said:
The Warburtons claim consanguinity with the ancient blood-royal of England, being descended from
Rollo, the first Duke of Normandy, through William, Earl of Eu, who married a niece of William the
Conqueror.

However Leycester himself casts doubt. Apparently the ancient Roll of the Barons of Halton saith
that with Hugh, Earl of Chester, came one Nigell, a nobleman; and with Nigell came five brethren.
Now Nigel was the son William d'Eu, but Leyester thinks he means he was accompanied by 5
brothers, but probably not his brothers.

The story that the 5 brothers were the sons of the Viscount of Cotentin comes from Lysons' Magna
Britannia, Vol. II (according to the same page). I don't know what weight to give this. Is there other
evidence? I don't think it can be ignored.

Now is the claim of consanguinity based on an interpretation of "5 brothers" or was there more to it?
I suspect perhaps it was so I tend to think they were the sons of Yvron of Cotentin, though I would
like to think the opposite.

If 5 brothers did come to Cheshire they would have matching Y-chromosomes which passed into a
number of Cheshire families. Is it possible it still survives today? If we could find it, it would signify
that a branch of Duttons, Warburtons etc. were directly descended in the male line. If it were the Y-
chromosome of William the Conqueror it would be even more exciting.

Now I do have one profile in my Warburton DNA Project which comes from someone who is
apparently descended from Odard. At least he links back to the Warburtons of Arley Hall who are
descended from Piers de Werberton, previously de Dutton, who changed his name in the 13th
century. A cadet branch moved to Ireland in the 1630s.

Of course one profile could be misleading as a 'non-paternal event' may have occurred at any time in
the 1000 years since Odard. If I get a match though things get interesting. I'm currently searching
for descendants of other branches of the Irish family, but there may well be other cadet branches
still thriving and a match could occur at any time. A match in another old Cheshire family like the
Duttons would be even more conclusive.

Henry I King of England to the BC's?

Justin Maitland — 28 Mar 2002 11:25:55 GMT

What the heck is the "Millenium File"

44040 — 9 Jun 2008 12:57:32 GMT

I have obvious ancestors born in England but ancestry will list them with the correct birthdate (1075) and village and then claim it was in North Dakota.
Jeeez, who the heck compiles these records?

Leigh family of Egginton, Derbyshire and the Leigh family of Adlington

falconbex — 23 Aug 2008 4:25:02 GMT

Can anyone help me with the descent of this branch of the Leigh family? What I have pieced together from A2A is the following.

Robert Leigh senior of Adlington
His son...
Reginald/Reynold married c.1482 Mary Vernon dau of Thomas Vernon - Mary is a widow by 1508.
(1479 a draft will was created by Reginald mentioning his brothers William of Ingoldesby and Peres (Peter?), and his bastard son James.)

Reginald had a legitimate son Robert who around 1508 married Anne Lathbury heir of her grandfather John and through her inherited the Egginton estate. Robert died c. 1525

William Leigh inherited Egginton so I assume that he was the son of Robert and Anne and he died before 1547. at some point he married Dorothy (the mother of his son Thomas) who remarried on William's death Richard Nedham of Snitterton.

His son Thomas was a minor on his fathers' death, and married in 1552 Anne Dethyk dau of William Dethyk.

Henry Leigh (son of Thomas?) inherited the estate c1598. married Catherine Horton of Catton. His heir was his daughter Anne who married Sir Simon Every, first baronet Every of Egginton.

Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry lists Reginald the son of Robert of Adlington as being the younger brother of Thomas of Adlington, son Of Robert Leigh and Ellen Booth but no mention is made of his brothers William and Peres, adding to the confusion this Robert could not be known as Robert Leigh senior as he didn't have a son Robert.

I believe Reginald to be the son of an earlier Robert but I am at a loss to try and locate the correct one.

Reference: D5236/6/22
Creation dates: [1478]

Grant by Reginald Legh' son of Robert Legh' of Adlyngton'
(Cheshire), esquire and James Legh' his brother rector of Rawstorn' (Cheshire), William Legh' of Ingoldesby (Lincolnshire) James' brother, Peter Legh' esquire, John Fletcher of Rawstorn' chaplain, Christopher Midelton' living in Adlyngton' and William Bradley of Chapel in le Fryth' of all property in Derbyshire
Witnesses: Ralph Browne, Edward Bagshawe, Ralph Assheton'
Dated feast of St James the Apostle 18 Edw IV [25 Jul]

Reference: D5236/9/27
Creation dates: 1479
Language: English and Latin

Deed setting up a trust to enact the will of Reginald Legh, son of Robert Legh of Adlyngton, esquire, deceased, for the benefit, successively, of any unborn heirs, his bastard son James, his brothers William and Peres and any of their heirs, starting with a feoffment to make an estate, by Reginald Legh to his brother William Legh of Ingeldesby and 8 others, of all his lands, tenements, rents, etc. at Godesclyf, Taksall and Adlyngton in Derbyshire and Cheshire, Monday before the Feast of St Michael the Archangel 19 Edw IV [27 Sep 1479]

If anyone can help shed some light on to this family I would be extremely grateful.

BOIS-BOURDON, DAVID & Queen Isabeau of Bavaria

James P. LaLone — 10 Dec 2003 3:13:01 GMT

I have a genealogy that states the following: Henri DAVID married Anais or Anna de BOIS-BOURDON, "fille du fameux de Bois de Bourdon, ami de la reine Isabeau de Baviere".

Does anyone know more about this Bois de Bourdon, who was he married to or his parentage? Did he have a relationship with Isabeau which produced children? Any additional info would be appreciated, thanks, Jim.

CHAMPERNONS 1100?

LorettaChapman57 — 28 Jun 2008 8:37:25 GMT

i WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING BACK THEN AND IF THERE ARE ANY ROYALTY IN THE CHAMPERNONS OF ENGLAND OR KNIGHTHOODS

Question for the group about ancestry of the founding father John Dickinson

JonBuff — 22 Feb 2008 7:23:23 GMT

I am curious about anything the group knows about a possible descent for John Dickison from a Simon Dickinson m. Catherine Dudley. I haven't researched this line myself but others on the net claim it is the case. This Catherine Dudley is allegedly the daughter of Geoffrey Dudley, Esq. and Mary Talbot, an illegitmate daughter of Sir Gilbert Talbot whose wife was Anne Paston. They say that this Geoffrey Dudley, Esq. was younger son of the 2nd Lord Dudley and Cecily Willoughby. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Isabel Fauconberg de Bilton

gidne1 — 17 Jun 2008 6:50:20 GMT

I'm interested in the ancestry of this Isabel Fauconberg, b. ca 1370, m. Robert Plessington. I have found a genealogy site claiming that her father was Walter Fauconberg, son of John Fauconber and Joan Aumale (sp?).

Does anyone have any sourced info on this individual and her upline? Any help kindly appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,

Pamela

Eldred

kelvin197 — 29 Aug 2006 1:20:49 GMT

Is anyone researching the surname Eldred ?
I am trying to find a connection for a Mary Eldred in marriage to William Whisler. They married in Norfolk, England in the early 1700's and had 4 children, John, William, Frances and Richard. William died in 1738 in Wiggenhall St Mary Magdalen, Norfolk. Any help would be appreciated.

Street family related to Eadric Streona?

kylests — 11 May 2008 12:16:30 GMT

The earliest instance of the surname Street was Modbert de Strete of Somerset, England.

http://books.google.com/books?id=pz3kkEIf4boC&pg=PA940&a...

What ancestor came before him? Eadric Streona?

HILDYARD family from Yorkshire ca. 1590'si

wilso127 — 8 May 2008 3:01:37 GMT

I have (new to me) information re the marriage of URSULA HILDYARD to RICHARD JACKSON of Killingswold Grove, East Riding, Yorkshire, in the year 1596. These are direct ancestors of mine. Appended to the information is a supposed documented direct ancestry of Ursula's back through Piers Gaveston to Edward I and ultimately to William the Conqueror. Should I trust this lineage or is it likely to be fabricated?

Q. about recent discoveries of new royal lineages

moonmully — 3 Feb 2008 1:36:51 GMT

I'm curious if anyone knows where one can learn of recent discoveries of "new" lines of royal descent.

I'm aware of the research of Douglas Richardson and others - and of the energetic debate that follows as these potential "discoveries" are reviewed by peers - but I'm not sure where to turn to find a list of additions to the complete peerage.

Would welcome any input.

Black Plaque web site?

glennagarner1 — 29 Apr 2003 2:41:39 GMT

Does anyone have any printed information on those people dying from Black Plaque during the Medieval period? Or possibly Web Site?

Please advice... and thanks,
Glenna

LUDWELL family, Sarum (Salisbury) 1500s also Audley/Saunders

jessandrak — 13 Mar 2008 10:02:11 GMT

Is anybody researching or have information on the LUDWELL family living near Salisbury in the mid 1500s onwards? Other affliated names are Saunders alias Ludwell and Audley alias Ludwell. There appears to be a connection between these families and Thomas Ludwell, merchant tailor of London who was living in London in the 1550s onwards. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Karen Bell

Anyone Decendants of the Norreys??

tmb04 — 24 Feb 2008 6:00:12 GMT

I researched them all the way back to 1090 to an Ivo le Norreys. If anyone needs help then I can help you out. But I would like to know if anyone researched even farther back than that or not?

Robert Elliot brother of First Earl of Minto

curtisabigailpritt — 26 Jan 2008 12:02:40 GMT

I am trying to track down the chidlren of Rev Robert Elliot who was the fourth son of Sir Gilbert Elliot (3rd Baronert of Minto) and Agnes Dalyrmple-Murray-Kynynmound and thus the youngest brother of the first Earl of Minto. I know he married a Mary Garforth who as the daughter of a Rev Garforth but I can find no mention of his children's names other than an Isabella who married a Gilbert Elliott and ended up in Australia.
Can any one help me with the other chidlrens names or locations?
Thanks
Abigail - Australia

Earls of Arundel; MONTGOMERY and FITZALAN

pier66 — 26 Nov 2005 5:12:56 GMT

I am trying to sort my way through the connection between the First Arundel dynasty and the Third. There seems to be some conflicting information here (surprise?)

The 1834 Tierney book on the Earls of Arundel states that Roger Montgomery bestowed his NIECE Aimeria in marriage to Warren the Bald. States later that it was the (unnamed) daughter of Warren and Aimeria was the wife of Alan FitzFleald, the progenitor of the FitzAlan dynasty. Tierney cites "dudg. bar. I. 26." (?) for both of these references.

The conflicting info comes about with this Aimeria. Tierney clearly says niece and grand-niece, but most of the online databases show this Aimeria as either a daughter of Roger de Montgomery, or in some circumstances a sister. He did seem to have a niece of a similar name (Aimera or Ameria, from brother Gilbert I think) , but the databases show her as marrying Renard De Balliol.

Does anyone know any clear sources on this, or know what the "dudg. bar. I. 26." the Tierney cites might be?

John KYRTEN or KIRTON, etc., est'd b abt 1545- where?

jayrite — 26 Nov 2007 4:18:54 GMT

There are many spellings of the surname. I'm trying to find John's origins, which do not appear to be in Bradfield, Berks., where he m Alice (dau of Griffin) BURTON in 1567, or nearby Burghfield, where most of their children were chr'd. Please can anyone help? Many thanks. Jay

William the Conqueror...

PaulBuckley31 — 18 Jul 2002 10:08:59 GMT

My Gt. Grandma used to say that she traced her family tree back to William the Conqueror amd that the link was through the Blois name
( which I know was Stephen de Blois ( William's cousin) but now I am stuck and where his MY family mansion!
Grandma was born in Norfolk....

Bretons and DNA

exitt95 — 24 Nov 2007 1:36:54 GMT

Is there anyone who has completed a Y-DNA test that traces their line back to Brittany around the time of the Conquest? I have completed a 37 marker test and have traced my paternal line to Brittany (Pellerin area). Families include Gernegan de Tanfeld, Bastard (of Pellerin), Pontchateau and potentially De Poher (Power in England).

Royalty in the family tree

jamesdivine1 — 5 Dec 2006 9:22:57 GMT

I'm just curious (as a newbee) how common it is for one to find royalty in their family histories? I've found what seems to be a rather large number for kings, emperors, dukes, etc in my family tree and I'm just wondering if that happens to a lot of people.

thanks,
-James

NEWMANs of Sarum/ Salisbury, Wilts. 1300s

jayrite — 22 Jan 2003 7:30:56 GMT

Anyone else researching this family please? My line's migration was (I think) Salisbury> Sturminster Newton and Fifehead, Dorset> Charlton Musgrove and Queen Camel, Somerset> Great Bedwyn/ Bedwyn Magna and Burbage, Wilts. Thanks. Jay.

Bixley Parish, County Norfolk, England

StacyeGenea — 6 Oct 2007 3:58:12 GMT

I am interested in the medieval history of Bixley Parish up to about 1750. Does anyone have any suggestions on resources for this? I visited the Parish Church (now burned) last summer and searched the Norwich library but found little info. Anyone know who might have the medieval parish records? It is a teeny tiny village and no one was around when I visited there.

Any help appreciated.

Stacye Mehard

Ward family of England

StacyeGenea — 6 Oct 2007 4:03:32 GMT

I am studying the medieval history of the Ward families of England. To date I have been researching the Ward family of Dudley Castle and the Ward family of Bixley Parish, Norfolk.

Anyone else out there researching Wards in this time period??

Any help appreciated.

Stacye Mehard

Waxham, County Norfolk, England

StacyeGenea — 6 Oct 2007 3:59:39 GMT

I am studying the medieval history of Waxham, County Norfolk specific to the Woodhouse family. Any help appreciated.

Thank you,
Stacye Mehard

early Grimaldis

Tom Kearney — 3 Jul 2005 12:47:43 GMT

I am descended from 2 branches of the early Grimaldi family. One of my ancestors was Tiburge Grimaldi, who married Louis Lascaris de Ventimille, who died before 1406. According to my records, her parents were Andaron Grimaldi, who died before 1340, and married in June 1315 Astruge de Beuil, a daughter of Guillaume Rostaing de Beuil and Beatrice Feraud. I know nothing of the de Beuils either. Andaron Grimaldi was a son of Barnabo Grimaldi and his wife Tiburge. I know nothing beyond this. I also am descended from Madeleine Grimaldi, who married Ranier Lascaris de Ventimille, a son of Louis mentioned above. Madeleine Grimaldi was a daughter of Luc Grimaldi, who died in Antibes in 1409, and his wife Yolanda Grimaldi. Luc was a son of Antoine Grimaldi, who died in 1358, and his wife Catharina Doria, who died in Antibes circa 1378. Antoine Grimaldi was a son of Ranier Grimaldi, born c.1267 and died in 1314, who married Marguerite Russo di Sinopoli. This is all I have on their ancestry. I have seen some genealogies online of the Grimaldis, and some are very confusing, and some appear to be wrong. I'm hoping someone can untangle these lines. goodbye for now.

Clovis The Riparian King Of Cologne

AFulsang — 13 May 2007 11:05:39 GMT

I hope I am posting this in the right spot....I have come across Clovis the Riparian, King of Cologne. I have found that his parents are either Theodemir Magnus Frank Chief and Valentina Justina OR Pharamond King of Westphalia and Argotta Queen of Franks. His lived from either 398-448 OR 375-420.

I am wondering if anyone has come across him and discovered who his parents are or if these are two different people.

Any direction would be appreciated! Thank you!

Stricklands of Sizergh

quallianmaghouin — 2 Aug 2007 6:08:16 GMT

A little early for medieval, but the Stricklands still held Sizergh then...

My family history is getting back in one branch to the Stricklands of Sizergh (specifically William de Strickland 1220-1305 who married Elizabeth d'Eyncourt)

I'm currently using the book "The Early Hisotry of the Stricklands at Sizergh" by S.H. Lee (the pdf of which is floating around the net.

My question is, does anyone else merge into this line who would like to compare notes or point out other sources?

Pembridge family

jcgrandy — 16 Sep 2004 5:13:41 GMT

According to the Visitation of Herefordshire, Thomas Oldcastell, of Oldcastle in Almeley, Herefs., married the "heiress of the Pembridge family".

Does anyone have any information on the Pembridge family? I presume this is the same as "de Pembrugge".

Thanks.

Governor WEST

patdellapiana — 9 Apr 2007 10:10:30 GMT

I'm seeking a decent-quality pic of the first governor of Virginia, Thomas West. I know there is a wonderful portrait of him in Virginia, but I can't get there, and I've only ever found a blurry, dark thumbnail of that portrait. Surely another form of the portrait exists.

Thank you so very much

Patricia

Names from the latin root EMBRI / Plantagenet lines

Embrin — 14 Mar 2007 4:33:14 GMT

In response to an archived message regarding credible Plantagenet ancestral lines that might connect to ancient Judea and the Italian family of Embriaco,

see < http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2003-08/10... >

There is another meaning to the latin Embri other than "drunken one". Etymologisches Worterbuch der baskischen Sprachewhich we are told here is a var. of ebri < *EMBRI < Lat. IMBREM 'a heavy rain, downpour'. So by a circuitous route the reader finds that ibai 'river' comes...

This name is found in the Netherlands as Embreke, and in a northern French town as Embry and in old Languedoc as Embrin, Embri and Embry.

Is anyone else researching these names or these lines?

Giselle Embry/Embri/Embrin

Ancestry of Maud who married Wm. Bracy

calswimmer — 19 Feb 2007 5:22:25 GMT

What is the latest on Maud de Warrenne who married William Bracy? i've been looking at all sorts of possible family trees for her, and one that makes some sense shows he father as Wm. Blancminster and mother as Eva Fitwarine. I'm not looking for proof as I understand that doesn't exist. I'm just wondering what the latest conclusions on this family are. It is of course of interest because of the later Lygon connection.

Ancestry of David Ap Evan

apeiron1 — 1 Feb 2007 3:52:40 GMT

The ancestry below appears on a plaque at Castle Freke in western Cork. Is this genealogy supported by evidence from other sources? Do parts or all of it appear in the Bartrum collection?

Thanks,
Roy

1. Gloyw Gwlat Lydan
sp: UNKNOWN
+-2. Casvar Wledig
sp: UNKNOWN
+-3. Llari Ap Casvar Wledig
sp: UNKNOWN
+-4. Rhun Rhudd Baladr Ap Llari
sp: UNKNOWN
+-5. Bywdeg Ap Rhun
sp: UNKNOWN
+-6. Bywliw Ap Bywdeg
sp: UNKNOWN
+-7. Gwineu Deufureuddwyd
sp: UNKNOWN
+-8. Teon Ap Gwineu
sp: UNKNOWN
+-9. Tegony Ap Teon (b.707)
sp: UNKNOWN
+-10. Iorworth Hirflawd
sp: UNKNOWN
+-11. Idnerth Ap Iorwirth Hirf
sp: UNKNOWN
+-12. Cadifor Wenwyn Ap Idnerth King of Builth
sp: UNKNOWN
+-13. Severus King of Builth
sp: Leigy Verch Morgan
+-14. Ifor Ap Severus Lord of Builth (b.910)
sp: Isabel Verch Tryffyn
+-15. Cuhelyn Ap Ifor Lord of Builth
sp: Gwen Verch Gronwy (b.942)
+-16. Elystan Ap Cuhelyn King of Gloucester (b.933-Hereford Castle,Herefordshire d.1010-Cefndigoll,Wales)
sp: Gwladys Verch Rhun
+-17. Cadwgan Ap Elystan
sp: Efa Verch Gwyrgant
+-18. Idnerth Ap Cadwgan
sp: Gwenllian Verch Aaran
+-19. Gwergeneu Ap Ionerth
sp: UNKNOWN
+-20. Meurich Ap Gwergeneu
sp: UNKNOWN
+-21. Llawrodd Ap Meurich
sp: UNKNOWN
+-22. Cadifor Ap Llawrodd
sp: UNKNOWN
+-23. Ynyr Ap Cadifor
sp: UNKNOWN
+-24. Sir Aran Ap Ynyr Knight of Rhodes
sp: Elen Verch Einian
+-25. Rhys Ap Aaran
sp: UNKNOWN
+-26. Jevan Ap Rhys
sp: Elliwda Verch Rhys David
+-27. Cadogan Goch Ap Jevan
sp: Gwyril Verch Madoc Scythydd
+-28. Cynrig Ap Cadogan Goch
sp: UNKNOWN
+-29. Jerwerth Ap Cynrig
sp: UNKNOWN
+-30. Thomas Ap Jerwerth
sp: Gwenllian Verch Rhydderch Ap Rhys
+-31. Jevan Ap Thomas
sp: Margaret Verch Lewis Ap Rhys
+-32. David Ap Jevan
sp: Dyddyn Verch Rhys Ap David

Clemence de Fougères

reinahecuba — 14 Jan 2007 6:26:33 GMT

I´m searching all the available info about Clemence de Fougères, daughter of Guillaume de Fougères by his wife Agathe du Hommet. As far as I know, Guillaume de Fougères was dead in 1187. He was, I think, but I´m not sure, imprisoned at Dol-en-Bretagne as an hostage of king Henry II. Her widow, Agathe, was herself a daughter of Richard du Hommet, constable of Normandy. Agathe had, if I´m not wrong, two children from her husband, Clemence de Fougères and Geoffrey de Fougères. Clemence was firtly married to Alan de Vitre and secondly, to Ranulf, count of Chester.
Thanks in advance!.

Medieval Terms

Ann Blomquist — 15 Jul 2006 3:46:52 GMT

I am studying a document which includes the following medieval terms which I cannot find in any dictionary. What is the meaning of these terms?
A cowcher-book (related to the Duchy of Lancaster)
Hocgeld
Thol and Them

Thank you for any help or direction!

Gerard Spencer and Alice Whitbread, Stotfold, England

jtmaitla — 5 Dec 2006 4:20:31 GMT

Gerard Spencer and Alice Whitbread married on November 5, 1600 in Stotford, Bedfordshire Co., England.

Is there conclusive evidence that Alice Whitbread's parents John Whitbread and Eleanor Radcliffe of Upper Gravenhurst, Bedfordshire Co., England?

Thank you for your help.

John Downing's father killed at theSiege of Plymouth. England 1643.

Jill Thorn — 1 Nov 2006 1:41:34 GMT

Hello Alan,
Thank you for the four names of the books from Plymouth Library which may name John Downing's father. A great help. Good luck in your search also. Jill.

John Downing's father killed at the Siege of Plymouth. England 1643.

JillThorn12 — 26 Mar 2006 4:11:00 GMT

In State Papers relating to Ireland - Adventures for Land, is a Petition to the King (Charles II) dated 19th March 1661 from John Downing, showing that his father lost an estate in Ireland through his loyalty, & raised a regiment with the remainder of his fortune in England. He was killed at The Siege of Plymouth leaving a wife & 5 children. I believe the siege was in 1643. Can anyone tell me where I may find a list of the regiments that fought at Plymouth? Thank you. Jill.

Somerled

Mel — 30 Mar 2004 8:39:31 GMT

There seem to be disagreement as to who was the great grandfather of Somerled, King of the Isles. In Mike Ashley's The Mammoth Book of English Kings and Queens,1998, Charts 25 (page 420) & 29 (page 458), it shows the great grandfather of Somerled to be Margad (Meargaige), King in Dublin, Man, and Galloway, himself being the great-grandson of Ivar, the Viking King of Dublin. In an article found at http://www.electricscotland.com/history/articles/norse.htm the author states that Professor Brian Sykes of Oxford has identified a chromosome in the MacDonald, MacAlister and MacDougall clans that identify their common ancestor Somerled as being of Norse origins. Given this DNA evidence it seems reasonable to explore this connection as given by Ashley. It satisfies tradition that Somerled's ancestors were Irish kings and DNA science that his ancestors were Norse. My question is, does anyone know of any other good sources which support Ashley's line? Thanks in advance for any help. Mel

Honor of the Title "Sir" Versus Title of knight (little "K")

Jim Houston — 12 Oct 2006 8:09:31 GMT

In official documentation in the medieval period if a person is designated as knight (small "k"), can it be assumed that this person has been knighted, or is designation as "knight" (small "k") simply a designation of job function? Similarly if a person is designated as "Sir", can it always be assumed that the person has been knighted? Was the use of the title, "Sir" handled differently between Scotland and England?

Jim Houston
Fort Worth, Houston

verifying nobility/royalty lineages

stella — 28 Sep 2001 8:05:41 GMT

This may sound like an incredibly stupid question to those of you who have been doing this for a long time, but I was wondering how/where you would verify ancestors so far back as some these lines and families I have seen on these posts? Do you get "proof" from a history book? Any history book, or are there certain ones that are accepted as more reliable than others? The reason I ask is that I recently found some research done by someone elseon a line going back through an "Arundel-Howard" family from the family I am researching that seems to connect to an awful lot of royals. It seems somewhat unbelievable and I would like to somehow double check these findings but am not sure where or how to even begin. Thank you in advance for any help.
Stella

Henry Van Notten 1499

bernie_fife_schaw — 16 Apr 2003 9:57:12 GMT

I have traced my family (Chandos Van Notten Pole) as far back as Henry Van Notten who was created a knight of the Holy Roman Empire in 1499 by Emperor Maximilian. But now I am stuck - his descendants were Dutch until 1720. Are there dutch records earlier than 1500 that are translated into English? Any information gratefully received.

medieval period

Bert — 28 Mar 2006 9:09:33 GMT

I am new to this list and would like to know what is considered the end of the medieval period and the beginning of the next? Thanks
Bert

Surname roots: Byron, Bryan, Biron

Marjorie Byron — 10 Aug 2002 9:44:28 GMT

I came up with this question due to various spellings for my name, including growing-up when a lot of people kept calling me by 'Bryan'. Biron goes back into 1500s in France, then to Quebec; Bryan to Bryan & de Brienne in Wales; Byron to de Buron in England - both of these last back to 11th century. At one time both de Buron & the Bryans apparently had a lot of land. Question: did these names originate from different roots or did they come from a similar source that was influenced by the ethic group & language where the people found themselves?

Dark Age & Medieval Genealogy-Surnames And Secret Royal Histories

eric historian — 4 May 2006 4:22:03 GMT

Sir Oliver Starkey

G Griffiths — 23 Sep 2002 2:30:08 GMT

Does anybody have any information about the birthplace or early life of Sir Oliver Starkey (d 1588)? Oliver Starkey was the last surviving member of the Knights of Saint John and was the only English Knight at the Great Siege of Malta 1565
He would of course have been both a Catholic and a member of the nobility (if this helps).

Oliver Kempe c1300-1325

Patriciakk — 27 Apr 2006 11:00:28 GMT

Oliver Kempe served in the Black Prince's campaign in France 1355-7 and probably fought at the battle of Poitiers.
Reference: Calendar of Close Rolls 1354-8, 560.
Listed in H. J. Hewitt, The Black Prince's Campaign, Pen and Sword Books 2004 (originally published 1958), p. 203
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Any ideas on how I can find more information, or where to look for information on Oliver Kempe?

Beda Hatfield

rootswebvolunteer — 17 Apr 2006 8:47:32 GMT

I AM LOOKING FOR MY BEDA HATFIELD'S PARENTS, BORN IN ENGLAND, POSSIBLY IN II39 BC

Nogai Khan

Dennis Kercher — 1 Apr 2006 6:37:12 GMT

Could anyone tell me who is the father of Nogai Khan. Most documents say that his father was Baul/Teval, the 7th son Jochi Khan, son of Genghis. However, another document states that he was infact the grandson of of Baul/Teval, and his real father was Tartar? Could someone tell me which is right.

The early de Fiennes

Sue Burne — 10 Mar 2006 12:54:18 GMT

I wonder if anyone can help sort out a muddle for me please? Having discovered a descent from this family I have been searching archives and as much as I can on the Internet to try to decide on the most likely line. I have seen John de Fiennes mentioned as warden of Dover Castle (including Dover Castle's own website), and his descendants shown as James then John then Alan before reaching Ingelram de Fiennes who married Sibyl de Tingrie. I have also seen a number of sites which mention Eustache I, then Conan then Eustache II before Ingelram. Dates seem to vary wildly too.
I'm rather confused and don't want to go adding names to my tree which are guesswork.

Thank you
Sue

FITZ WALTER

Thierry LE HETE — 3 Mar 2006 11:06:19 GMT

Does anybody belong information about the Fitz Walter family, a cadet branch of the Clare lineage. I search bibliographic orientation.

Possible ancestry for the Schaets Family

jtmaitla — 18 Apr 2006 11:06:59 GMT

Gott family Nottingham, England

jayne2_1 — 14 Feb 2006 1:40:33 GMT

Looking for early ancestors for Charles Gott. Born 1567 in Nottingham, England. Died 1589 Nottingham, England. Married to Goode Goade.
Thanks

Rombaut van Wachtendonck

Valerie Karvoski — 13 Feb 2006 10:55:41 GMT

Johann Baptista von Taxis, married Christina von Wachtendonk, zu Hemessem, in about 1514. Christina was born between 1483 - 1487, possibly in Herzogtum Geldern. Christina's parents were Rombaut van Wachtendonck, of Ossendrent (probably Ossendrecht) (Possibly Geldern or Netherlands), and Aleyt de Cock van Beusekom, Of Amersfoort, Utrecht, Netherlands. Rombaut is said to have been a Knight. Does anyone know of his connection to the van Wachtendonck family? Who were his parents, etc? Many thanks.

Benedictine Monk BETTI -673 A.D.

Carol_Selbiger — 25 Jun 2006 3:09:18 GMT

I am searching for information on the Anglo-Saxon monk who started a church Wirksworth England and may possiblely be buried under a stone at the site of the church. The monk studied under the Benedictine order and his name was Betti. He was one of the four monks credited with spreading Christianity to all of the UK. I am working on a link with St. Margaret Atheling and the Wirksworth church which was started by Betti. My family name is Beattie and historians have many times suggested that they were Anglo-Saxons who fled the Norman Conquest with Margaret Atheling to Scotland. Margaret Atheling was raised under the Benedictines in Hungry and would have gone on a pilgramage to Wirksworth because of Betti. This may connect her to the followers of Betti named Beattie's.

Creully genealogy

thierry Le Hête — 9 Dec 2005 5:43:10 GMT

An upcoming program you might be interested in

Jim — 17 Nov 2005 6:41:52 GMT

A program airing this Sunday evening on the History Channel, “Little Ice Age—Big Chill,” sounds like something many here (who have access to this channel or could get someone to record it for them) might be very interested in. According to the trailer: "It ended the reign of the Vikings; accelerated the Black Death; and triggered the French Revolution. From 1350-1850 cataclysmic cold covered the entire Northern hemisphere…” Anyway, it looks very interesting and could easily be an excellent source of background history for the medieval and later periods many of us study.

Jim

Sir Knight Richard Clough

1lawman1 — 24 Sep 2006 5:45:45 GMT

Looking for info on Sir Knight Richard Clough, b1530, at Plas Clough, Denbighshire, Wales.

Clough/Tudor connection

kathy kennedy — 11 Sep 2002 9:52:15 GMT

I'm trying to find family/history of a Richard Clough b. 1530 in Denbigh, Wales. He married a Katherine Tudor, daughter of Robert (Fychan)(Vaughan) ap Tudor. Robert Tudor's wife was Jane De Velville, granddaughter of King Henry VII of England.

My Clough line goes up to a Robert Clough, b. 1782 in Bradford, Yorkshire, England, who married Hannah (?) For some reason, the data I have includes the Richard Clough above, but no link between the two....

Any help?

Normans and DNA

ShaneTarry — 20 May 2003 4:29:12 GMT

Anyone here of Norman ancestry who has had their y-line DNA tested? If so, I'd like to compare the results.

Hastings of Huntingdon?

Bill Tolch — 16 Jan 2004 10:19:04 GMT

In the Huntingdon Peerage table 3 I have found listed as the fourth son, Antony Hastings, of Sir Henry Hastings (of Humberston d. 1629) and Mable Faunt: . This is the only place I have seen this son named although I have seen several references to his having sons in Ireland. (One of these states he was Bishop of Carlisle and was removed because he would not swear an oath to William III, this seem unlikely as no Hastings is listed as Bishop of Carlisle and William III was much to late for a child of this marriage.) There was an Antoni Hasting in Humberston who had a son Edward in 1647 and another son Antoni in 1649. This Edward, I belive to be Col Edward Hasting Governor of Upnor Castle. This kind of position implies I think some family prestige. Unfortunately the fourth son wasn't of any interest to the investigators of the peerage succession and they supplied no further information. Any help would be appreciated.

Bill Tolch

de Balheri pre 1300 Coupar Angus Scotland

lillyduncanr — 3 Sep 2005 4:47:13 GMT

I am seeking any reference or genealogy chart to the ancient family of de Balheri. They lvied in Coupar Angus before the 1300s. Any info whatsoever on the de Balheri lineage or origin welcome.

Medieval Keenes of Eashing or Worplesdon Surrey ENG

davis8176 — 20 Aug 2005 6:05:15 GMT

Am seeking information on the Keene family who lived in this area in the 1400's. John Keene is who my search is primarily for. John's brothers were Edumund & Thomas also a sister named Joan. John's wife was Joane. Edmund had a daughter named Elizabeth. John also had a godson who name was John. I posses a copy of the will of this John Keene and believed to be of his line. Anyone interested in sharing any informaiton please contact me via email: davis8176@hotmail.com

Marriages and children of James FitzRichard Barry (Viscount Buttevant)

casualbets — 1 Jun 2005 8:27:50 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying in particular to authenticate in particular whether Joan Barry Roe was a daughter of James FitzRichard Barry Roe (as given in Burkes Irish Family Records 1976).

What's particularly troubling me isthat hiven that James was said to have been 87 when he died in Dublin in 1581, the fact that :

(a) that her husband David Roche is said have been born in 1573 (although I have further doubts about that date, as their grand-daughter Ellen McCarthy Reagh was married in 1634 - which would suggest that Maurice may well have been older)

and (b) Joan's brother David, 2nd Viscount, married her (Joan's) husband's aunt Helen Roche

makes me suspicious of the possiblility that this Joan may instead be a granddaughter of James FitzRichard?

I would appreciate any clarification....

George Washington King Conwill born abt. 1805 ; death 1882 in Itawamba county Mississippi - is there any genealogy information connected to Medieval Genealogy in England, Irland or else where ?

DARRELL_DIETRICH_CONWELL — 11 Jun 2005 1:16:12 GMT

Seeking genealogy information .Is there any information connected to Medival History related to George Washington King Conwill born abt. 1805 ? He died abt. 1882 in Itawamba County Mississippi.He was married to Elizabeth Prestridge.One of his sons was Reverand J.C.CONWILL married to Amanda Jane Lentz .J.C.conwill was born June 1834.He died 1908 or 1909 in Itawamba county Mississippi.One of his sons was Reverand W.H.Conwill.W.H.Conwill was born 21 January 1861 in Itawamba county Mississippi.W.H.conwill died 18 April 1913 in Iowa Park - Wichita county - Texas.He lived a while in Oklahoma - indian terr.W.H.Conwill was a baptist or methodist Minister - Reverand.W.H.Conwill was married to M.I.Nelson.One of W.H.conwills children was Lloyd Newton Conwill born 28 April 1899 in Texas.Lloyd died 1951 in Mckinney Texas.Lloyd was buried in Tahoka Texas.One of Lloyds children was John Newton Conwill Conwell born 1925 as John Newton Conwill in Fredericksburg Virginia.John lived a long time in corpus christi texas.He died as John Newton Conwell 1999 in Ohio.Lloyd newton conwill was married twice.John Newton Conwill also known as John Newton Conwell was also married twice.John Conwells second marriage was 1959 in Corpuschristi Texas USA.

probably impossible

melanie viselli — 10 May 2005 6:23:50 GMT

does anyone know if there is any kind of a list that may have the names of some of the soldiers from the Battle of Hastings? mainly some of the ones that may have fought directly with William?
If i'm even on the right track not only am i decended from him but from four possible men that came with him. their names are:
Ralph de Quesnay (B. 1044)
Pagan Troussebot
John Flandrensis
and Picot de Saye.

i know there may not even be a list, but i would like to give it a shot anyway, just in case.
thanx to anyone that can help.
melanie

Rhys Griffith of Stickford, Lincolnshire, d. 1489

JeffreyChipman — 19 Apr 2005 9:39:41 GMT

I am searching for the name of the above-mentioned man's wife. His dau. Joan m. Lionel Dymoke.
Any help appreciated.

Maurice de Berkeley, "The Valiant"

plantagenet60 — 21 Mar 2007 5:41:25 GMT

Descendants of Maurice, 4th feudal lord of Berkeley [c1330-1368], may be interested in this account of his contest with a French knight at the battle of Poitiers on 19 Sept. 1356.

Written by the chronicler Jean Froissart, this narrative provides an interesting insight into feudal rules of warfare. Where Froissart calls the name of the knight *Thomas* lord Berkeley, read Maurice, as Thomas was Maurice's father and is not accounted at the battle [_The Complete Peerage_], being an old man by medieval standards.

The proper identity of the injured and captured lord of Berkeley as Maurice is confirmed by _The Complete Peerage_, v. II, p. 130 and ibid note (c). Here is Froissart's account:

http://www.bartleby.com/35/1/205.html

Maurice was "never thoroughly cured of the wounds hee received at Poytiers," and died at Berkeley Castle on 8 June 1368. Among his descendants are a great-granddaughter, Eleanor de Beauchamp, wife of Edmund Beaufort, marquess of Dorset [grandson of John of Gaunt].

K

Waleran Fitz Waleran Waleran the Hunter

Pennie Waldron — 22 Apr 2005 4:10:51 GMT

I am looking for information on descendants of Waleran the Hunter named in the Doomsday Book some are Sir Robert Waleran - Sir William Waleran Lord of West Dean

Gilbert, Poynton

susangilbert5 — 15 Apr 2005 11:08:57 GMT

I am looking for an early association (1500s or earlier) of the Gilbert family of Derbyshire and the family of Poynton.
Sir William Gilbert of Queens county, Ireland registered his arms in Ulster, quartered by his wife's arms, Castillion, and quartered also by the family of Poynton.
Additionally, Sir William Gilbert is apparently from Spondon, Derbyshire but his crest is the same as that of Humphrey Gilbert of Devon, the squrriel feeding on a nut.
I would like to find out what the family association is between the Devon Gilberts and the Derbyshire to Ireland Gilberts.

Creully/Creuilly

v_bercier — 24 Feb 2005 7:45:38 GMT

Hi there,

I'm looking for a line from Thomas de Creuilly, Seigneur de St Clare who was married to Jeanne de There.

Hope someone can help....

Adela Talvaise

pier66 — 26 Nov 2005 5:12:56 GMT

Thanks to all for the help with the Montgomery/FitzAlan question before.

Here's an interesting one. These women seem oddly similar.

Adela de Talvaise (b.~1124, Alençon)
d/o Comet William Talvaise (b.~1084, Alençon)
ux Patrick FitzWalter de Salisbury

Adelia de Talvas (b.~1110, GGD of Mabel Talvas de Alençon)
d/o William Talvas (son of Robert de Bellême)
ux William III de Warenne

The one Warenne daughter that I believe is documented , Ida, is attributed to have been born 1137, and William III Warenne supposedly died 1148. (Honour of Warenne passed to Ida's husband)

The "other" Adela supposedly married the Patrick the Earl of Salisbury in 1149, and the Salisbury (d'Evereux) children were supposedly born 1150-1154.

I cannot seem to find any databases though that have made the connections of these two women. However, they seem far to parallel to not identify. Even with Ancestry's new OWT algorithm, searching the woman with either spelling with father William, brings up both, but each shows either spouse Salisbury or Warenne, never as wife of both men.

Anyone know any further background on "these" women?

Mortimer - Corbet - Baskerville

jcgrandy — 20 Sep 2004 5:27:21 GMT

Hello,

Does anyone know if the following line is valid and proven?

1. Joan de Mortimer (desc. of King John), married
as his first wife, about 1253, Peter Corbet, I
Baron Corbet of Caus, who died before 13 Aug. 1300. He
married, secondly, about 1295, Alice de Orreby.

2. Sibylla Corbet, married 1298 Sir William de
Baskerville, Lord of Coombe, who died 1318.

3. Sir Richard Baskerville, Lord of Eardisley,
died 1342. Married 1320 Jane, d. of Sir Richard
Poyntz.

4. Richard Baskerville, Lord of Eardisley,
married 1372 Isabella Hampton.

5. Sir John Baskerville, Lord of Eardisley,
married 1407 Joan (or Elizabeth), d. and heiress
of Sir John Brugge of Staunton.

6. Ralph Baskerville, Lord of Eardisley, born 21
Oct. 1410, married Anne Blackett of Icomb.

7. Jane Baskerville, heiress, married 1460 Simon
Milborne.

Danes of Dublin

unknown2694756180 — 10 Nov 2005 8:36:33 GMT

I have found a reference in the added notations of The Annals of Ireland, stating that the surname Gilbert in north Dublin city is believed to come from the Danes. Later Gilberts of Dublin in my line in the 17 and 1800s married both a Hendricks and a Facon (Fagan?) which also are mentioned on the list of Dane orgin surnames.
On the same page as this Annals notation is a blurb about Bishop Gilbert of Limerick also being a Dane. Various biographies about him mention that his name was actually and more accurately Gille.
Can anyone confirm Gille as a Danish name and also confirm that the Gilbert surname came from Gille? And that the roots of the Gilbert surname in Dublin may be, at least in some instances, of Dane orgin?

GIFFARD OF CHILLINGTON

XXXXRichard2WilliamsXXXX — 16 Jan 2005 11:19:50 GMT

Family MALIGNON

michelserret — 9 Nov 2004 2:38:43 GMT

I'm from France
and want to contact M. Gary DE MALIGNON
who posted a message on this forum in1998.
His e-mail adress is not available.
Thanks
Michel SERRET

Olivant in Cumberland

Jackie Nicholson — 30 Oct 2004 6:14:04 GMT

Hi, I am researching my mothers line Oliphant/Olivant especially in the Forest of Inglewood in Cumberland. I have a good collection of wills from 1566 onward, but I am seeking earlier information, such as where the Olivants came from, and what brought them to the Forest and when. Any clues and information would be much appreciated.
Many thanks
Jackie Nicholson

Thekla Wessinger

rsgreg — 25 Aug 2004 2:04:18 GMT

Before her death Thekla Wessinger had traced the Wessinger family back to 1184. She found that Bechtold von Wessungen served under the emperor and was Major in Gelnhousen in 1361 and was the connecting link between Gross Wessungen and Klein Wessungen and the South Germany Wessingers.

Thekla Wessinger married George Loesti and they lived in or near Stuttgart, Germany. Thekla died prior to 1933, and may be Thekla Eleonora Wessinger born June 22, 1862, Wuerttemberg, Germany.

I also have in my files the following but with no additional information:
Wernherus de Majori Wessungen
1275 from grosswechsungen in the district of Nordhausen, State of Thueringen
"Knight of Wessungen" - Reichsministeriale

Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

Richard

Burga de Stuteville

plantagenet60 — 21 Mar 2007 5:41:25 GMT

Is the Burga de Stuteville who m. William Pantulf [d. aft. 1166] [1], the same as the Burga de Stuteville, wife of William de Vescy [2], da. of Robert III de Stuteville? It would appear that Robert III is in the same generation, and that Burga may possibly be the da. of Robert II de Stuteville and his wife, Erneburga [3]

Any clues welcomed.

Refs.

[1] CP XII/1:648, DD 1059, Dugdale: Baronage 1:434
[2] DD 724
[3] DD 723-24, Dugdale: Baronage 1:455-56, AR7 247:24, Planche: Companions of William the Conqueror v. 2 ch. 10,
Sanders 37

Better queries get better results...

Jim — 30 Jul 2004 7:26:09 GMT

Earl of Dudley from Scotland

Jerry Molloy — 17 Jan 2004 11:42:45 GMT

Last year I had the wonderful opportunity to do some family research in Ireland and on my last day in Templemore, Tipperary I spoke with a Mr. Dudley (only one in the area), who told me his daughter, a school teacher, had traced the Dudley line back to Mount Dudley near Roscrea and that they descended from the youngest brother of the Earl of Dudley, who came from Scotland during Cromwellian times. In talking with the daughter she confirmed this, but said her records were lost. A letter in my family from 1904 gives the name of my 4ggmother as Phebe Dudley married to William Grey along with their 12 children. The first child was born in 1792. So she was likely born before 1770. Ten of the 12 children are in the St. Mary's Church of Ireland records in Templemore. Gray was often used as well. A daughter, Mary, married Peter Molloy in that Church in 1826.
Does anyone know who this Earl of Dudley was? And who was his youngest brother, who came to Ireland at the time of Cromwell? Also who were the original settlers after whom Mount Dudley is named? Any information or recommendations will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Lord Genealogy

CAbdelrehim — 26 Jul 2004 4:15:50 GMT

I am looking for any info pertaining to ancestors of Elizabeth C. Lord who was married to Howard W.Christopher. They were married in caroline county Maryland. Particularly looking for ancestors that may be in the medieval times of England,Scotland,etc. As well as living relatives now living overseas. Please send info via email at vicchristopher_5@hotmail.com,vlad862000@yahoo.com, or via snail mail at 602 E.Alexander St.#906,PlantCity,Fl.,33563,USA. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

BARON JOHN MAJOR/HENNIKER

stan majors — 24 Jul 2004 3:03:32 GMT

am realated to a baron, can anyone tell me, who the baron was in 1800?

The ancient kingdom of Man - from 1406 Lordship - became a selfgoverning fief of
the English Crown in 1334.
By the 18th century, the island had become a major center of smuggling trade and
to stop this the British Government purchased it in 1765 for £70,000. (1)
Originally ruled as a British possession, its statute of selfgoverning dependency
of the Fnglish Crown was restored in 1866. (2)

(1) Until 1830 the Dukes of Atholl, the former Lords of Man, continued to enjoy
some financial rights.

(2) Man was no part of the United Kingdom, which was however responsible for
the island's defence and foreign relations.
__________________________________________________________________________________

CHIEF ADMINISTRATORS
Lieutenant Governors

1845 - 1860 Charles Hope 1808 -
1860 Mark Hildesley Quayle* 1804 - 1879
1860 - 1863 Francis Stainsby Conant Piggott 1... - 1863
1863 Mark Hildesley Quayle* (2x)
1863 - 1882 Sir (1880) Henry Brougham Loch 1827 -
1882 - 1893 Sir Spencer Walpole 1839 - 1907
1893 - 1895 Sir Joseph West Ridgeway 1844 - 1930
1895 - 1902 John Major Henniker-Major, Baron Henniker 1842 - 1902
1902 - 1918 George Fitzroy Henry, Baron Raglan 1857 - 1921
1918 - 1925 MajGen. William Fry 1858 - 1934
1926 - 1932 Sir Claude Hamilton Archer Hill 1866 - 1934
1932 - 1937 Sir Montagu Sherard Dawes Butler 1873 - 1952
1937 - 1945 Vadm. William Spencer Leveson Gower,
Earl (1939) Granville 1880 - 1953

moels/prouse/prouz/newmarch/deReigney/deWidworthy

laurie wicker proctor — 23 Jul 2004 9:23:04 GMT

searching for information on distant ancestors of henry wyger of england>devonshire c.1260 with the above surnames. all information greatly appreciated

Roger de Swaby

Jean Prytyskacz — 26 Jul 2004 1:29:54 GMT

Would like any information on a Roger de Swaby who was a feudal lord, who had land around Louth in Lincolnshire in 1270 A.D. I am also interested in any earlier (de) Swabys dating from the time of the Conquest.

Early Mildenhalls and early Tubbs.

bridget green — 31 Jan 2003 1:06:16 GMT

Hi! I'm interested in both the above families, the Mildenhalls of Ramsbury, Bedwin area of Wilts and the Tubbs of Wantage, Oxfordshire and surrounding areas.
I have one line back to 1515, the other to 1501. Now I'm stuck.
For any help or for news of fellow researchers I'd be very grateful. Hoping to hear from someone soon, Bridget.

Gruffudd ap Ifor Bach and Bowen/Fleming

Ronald J. Di Iorio — 23 Jun 2004 11:48:19 GMT

I read some where that there may be as many as 20 descents from Gruffudd in the Bowen/Fleming line. Is this accurate, and how valid are the lines? Also, is there anywhere on line that lists these correctly? I have the lines given by Roberts and in Ancestral Roots, but I don't have access to Bartrum. I find it confusing to have so many individuals with similar or identical names and no dates to establish which individuals may in fact be identical. Any help, perhaps "Medieval Welsh Genealogy for Dummies", would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Ron

Thacker Family At Arundel Castle

carolerussell38 — 22 Jun 2004 2:54:31 GMT

My Line begins with John Thacker b. 1613 at Arundel Castle. I have names, dates and history of the family here in America but my curiosity leads me to wanting to know more about their life before they came here. Is it possible to find information about the Thacker family at the castle or during that time? Occupations, land owned or anything pertaining to them.
Thank You

Roman dfa

AlasdairFriend — 15 Apr 2004 12:02:52 GMT

Bliss Line

Sharon Palm — 1 Jun 2004 2:17:48 GMT

help identify a family crest

TracyScarberry51 — 14 May 2006 1:06:11 GMT

Attila

Thomas Shelly — 20 Apr 2004 10:57:03 GMT

I've seen it shown where Attila the Hun has been included in some family trees. can anyone tell me if this is correct?

Attila had a daughter named Escam. She married Ardaric and they had a son Elemund King Of Gepidae. He had a daughter named Ostragotha who married Wacho King of the Lombards.

can anyone verify this?

Pedigree of William de Beauchamp, lord of Elmley

plantagenet60 — 21 Mar 2007 5:41:25 GMT

Leslies of Eardhouse and Wardis

Robin Easton — 17 Mar 2004 11:26:14 GMT

Looking for information about this Leslie branch, somehow connected with Leslies of Wardis? I haven't found any kind of info of Wardhouses on the internet!

I have these individuals:
Anne Leslie b. ca. 1520-40, married Alexander Forbes of Thainston, Aberdeenshire.

Children:
Henry /Henrik) Forbes b. ca.1560, Captain in the Swedish army d.1605

Parents of Anne Leslie:
Jacob Leslie, baron of Wardhouse (!)
and Johneta Crichton (Crighton)

Parents of Anna come from Swedish sources, but I found a nearly similar couple:
John Leslie of Wardis b.1460 d.1546,
married Margaret Crichton of Frendraught

Is Wardis and Wardhouse same branch, and is Jacob a corruption of names James or John.