Migration patterns - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Did most people migrate South rather than North?

clive_challis — 2012-11-21 11:24:44Z

Hi,

Many people in the 19th century worked on the land where wages could be pretty low. In Essex, for example, the wages were some of the lowest in the country & the fledgling farm workers union encouraged men to move North to create a labour shortage & thus push up wages. Not sure how successful it was as some did move away, but subsequently moved back South. In the West country, Somerset coalminers would move to the pits in South Wales as their demand for labour grew. I've found in my research that where work is scarce people move, conversely there is less movement when there is plenty of work to be had.

Regards

Clive

Re: Did most people migrate South rather than North?

BryanHoggarth — 2012-11-21 09:48:50Z

Chloe,
People went to where they could survive better, which for most means jobs.
Before mechanisation most employment was on the land and so jobs were spread fairly evenly over the country. With the reduction of work on the land many people had to find work in the mines, mills, factories etc created by the Industrial Revolution and most of these were in the North - Staffordshire to Newcastle on Tyne.

London has always been getting bigger and I expect this was largely by people moving to there.

So it's a mix.

Bryan

Did most people migrate South rather than North?

ChloeCameronMckeown — 2012-11-20 20:15:29Z

My family tree gets further and further North the further I go back. Lots of branches end in Scotland and the others in the far North of England. Would I be right in assuming people tended to migrate South rather than the other way round?

Wagon trains to the Sacramento Valley 1850

bld45 — 2012-08-08 18:09:08Z

Looking for information regarding the wagon trains from the East into Sacramento Valley from over the Sierra Nevada Mts.in 1850. Thomas Jonas South was Captain of one of the wagon trains that arrived around August of that year. Any information or sources?

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

RitchPruitt — 2012-06-10 15:24:06Z

I am with you, definitely some intriguing pieces dealing with similar locations, similar surnames, same time frame, and similar beliefs. My mtDNA, I4, is not from my Shumate/De La Chaumette line. As far as I know no one has tested that line within my immediate family, it would be my maternal grandfather's direct maternal line, not mine. His maternal line is Shumate, Absher(Abshire), Hall, Hammons and May.

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

clickKYrose — 2012-06-10 15:05:06Z

This is also the line that accounts for the i-4.

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

clickKYrose — 2012-06-10 15:04:22Z

My Chambers line was Primitive Baptist, from that Rowan, Person Co NC area.

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

RitchPruitt — 2012-06-10 14:55:19Z

Ethan Allen was an extremely interesting figure that has been whitewashed from modern American revisionist history because he was a freethinker. Personally, I think we were nation created from dissents and freethinkers. Thomas Paine is another central figure who has been marginalized in the same fashion.

As for researching, working backwards/forwards/sideways, taking all pieces of information into account (no matter how inconsequential sounding or not) can uncover unique and new connections. It is possible that these De La Chaumettes were connected to the French Revolution/Chaumette Radicals and they fled to England and other locations. Hopefully more information will come forward to credit or discredit that correlation.

Parts of my family that settled in Wilkes, NC are still Primitive Baptists today. Many in that family line were Elders in the Primitive Baptist for a few hundred years. Maybe this is part of the larger narrative...maybe not, hopefully we will able to objectivity connect some of the dots someday.

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

clickKYrose — 2012-06-10 14:36:12Z

My family tree connects me Ethan Allen. All records indicate that he is a great uncle. The Allens and the many, many Shoemaker variations connect over and over again. These two families stayed close to each other for about 125 years. In my family there was a very tense relationship with religion, specifically Christianity. In my families, religion was the oppressor. They can look religious on paper but they are always starting/joining the branch that "broke away." Primitive Baptists, etc. Ethan Allen was seen as a Diest, a term he didn't care for but---he did fit the definition. He wrote a famous work calling the idea of the Trinity complete hogwash. Deists are those who believe that the natural world, more so the observation of it, holds the answer to G*d---not organized religion. He felt there was a scientific explanation for "miracles." This isn't all that far removed from the Cult of Reason. And, many people forget, we are dealing with people who lived in the Colonies at a time when there were about 250,000 Europeans. I have no proof that these Chaumettes are the same. But I do have volumes of proof that they knew the same people, traveled back and forth between the same countries, were eventually ousted from those countries, and stayed within the same tight circles once they were free to move about the Colonies. As far as I'm concerned, we tend to work backwards. We should assume all these people are related and work to eliminate those who are not. You miss less this way. I'm going to keep at it. As of right now, who came first? The Chamettes or the Schumachers? I have no idea. But it is clear that they are, at the very least, the same clan of people. Chaumette-Allen, Shoemaker-Allen, Schumate-Allen...Shewmaker-Allen...it is endless. I'm unable to not find it curious. I also find the Island Colony immigration curious. This wasn't a place you moved, it was a place you were banished to.

I've never bought the going "German Schumacher" story. What I see are supposed Welsh, English, German, Scotish, and French people, who end up in the Colonies, carry no significant traditions associated with their believed country of origin, and intermarry without missing a beat.

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

RitchPruitt — 2012-06-10 13:37:49Z

Elaborate on your "similar mindset" statement about deists and Cult of Reason connection to the De La Chaumette.

Are you referring to Pierre Gaspard Chaumette and Robespierre?

My tree does not have a connection to Pierre at the moment, my De La Chaumette/Shumate direct ancestors were in Virginia by the time France was in midst of all that turmoil. If anyone does have proof of those connections I would be very interested in reading that research.

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

clickKYrose — 2012-06-10 06:42:06Z

I'm finding that a lot of Shumake's are believed to come from De La Chaumette. And, if they are the De La Chaumette(s) that they appear to be, it gives some insight to the connections with the Allen family. "Diest" and "Cult of Reason" seem to be of a similar mindset.

Re: De La Chaumette migration story

milopuck — 2012-05-23 19:36:32Z

Since this is a public forum here I need to keep reminding myself to only speak of things I am perfectly knowledgeable of and make sure not mention suspicions or theories in which I have little evidence.

Which, of course, is always difficult.

I'm finding the I-4 label a little more reassuring at the moment. It is clear that we are "cousins" in some way---possibly 20 to 30 times over. I see many common relationships and families in areas that were populated by 600 to 1000 people at a time. The odds seem incredibly high. Even more than this, it is the combination of surnames. Nickell/Nichols/Nicholson marry a particular kind of Smith, often. King/Morgan/Brown is a VERY common combination. Those families stayed close for about 100 years. Same with Hawkins/Harris.

The two lines I can speak of with complete knowledge are the Stampers and the Bailys. You can purchase this as an e-book. And Ancestry has it, but it is harder to navigate...Scots Banished to the Plantations will give you a clear idea of who the Bailleys were...spelling varies but this is one family that is unquestionably related.

The interesting thing to me is that your lines largely stayed in North Carolina through the 1800s, mine had moved into Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio (and some to Tennessee).

Between 1790 and 1800 all of my family lines had left. This was largely due to skin coloring. The bulk of my 1800s era family are the kinds of people that are often referred to as "Black Dutch"...in the Appalachians they call them "Melungeon." However, these labels are misleading. Genealogy, history, and (increasingly) DNA, show that these two "groups" are more often than not the exact same people.

I'm looking forward to studying this De La Chaumette.

De La Chaumette migration story

RitchPruitt — 2012-05-23 16:24:56Z

Here is a brief snippet of the De La Chaumette story

Daniel and Marie Aucouturier De La Chaumette's son Jean (Baptist) De La Chaumette left France, went to England where he married his 2nd wife, Elizabeth H. Bougeois, daughter of John Bougeois and unknown wife. They relocated to Martinique, French West Indies. They had 4 sons, Antione and John were born in London, England. Samuel and Daniel were born in Martinique, French West Indies. After Marie's death, Antione in charge of the plantation and brought John, Samuel and Daniel to the Virginia colony in search of his brother, Arnoul(Arnell De La Chaumette)Shewmake, only to find he had died almost 20 years. In passing through Westmoreland Co., VA, he found Mark Hardouin, his brother-in-law, a Norman Emigrant, who owned and inn (or tavern) in Stafford Co., VA near Germantown trail crossed Elks Run. It was through Mark Hardin, in 1723, Jean bought some choice bottom land along Elk Run from the biggest landowner in the area, William Allen of Overwharton Parish in the County of Stafford. The deed is recorded in Stafford Co., VA, deed book. He bought 200 acres of land, which was an indication the John Shumate I, (as we will hereafter call him), was more than moderately wealthy. It is believed John 1, died around 1728, just before ar after his son, John II married Judith Bailey. It has been said John I was killed by a blow in the head by a highwayman wielding the large door key of Marc Hardouin's tavern. When the tavern was demolished some years later, the workmen pulled up the treadle of one of the steps, there was Spanish money galore. No will for John I, has been found, which may indicate to us that he had not anticipated his death to be near. However, it is possible that he had made a will, the Stafford Co., Will Books for the years between 1709-1729 are missing.
(Extract from The Shumate Family by Theodor-Friedrich von Stauffenberg)

Re: Castle Garden to Milwaukee Wis. in 1875

rebholzgary — 2012-04-17 14:29:48Z

One way to research historic travel options is available online these days: online newspaper archives. Many papers regularly published daily train schedules and daily boat schedules (like Great Lakes boat schedules). In some eras you can also find daily/weekly updates on transatlantic departures and arrivals (for instance, Milwaukee's German language newspapers from the 1850s). If you're really lucky, the information may include specifics like storm trouble, delays, no. of passengers, outbreak of disease, etc.

Subscription sites like NewspaperARCHIVE, 19th Century U.S. Newspapers, etc. may be available through a local public library, or college/university library.

Calling an airport to check for updated arrival info., flight delays, etc. has it's roots going way back.

Re: Joseph Anthony Herburger Esq.

mlujan133 — 2011-09-06 19:36:19Z

Lucia is my great Aunt I hope you are still searching for Lucia Archuleta.

Me>MaryAnn>Carmelita>Adelia>Trinidad

Me>my mother>my grandmother>my great grandmother> my great, great mother

Trinidad (mother)–adelia (daughter)>Carmelita (dauther)>MaryAnn (daughter)> me (daughter
Trinidad (mother )>Lucia (daughter)

Adelia & Lucia (sisters) (screen print)
Hope we make a connection..
My mother told me we are related to Herburger.. I just havent made the connection yet.

migration nc to ark

mgapple70 — 2011-08-18 20:16:31Z

What route would families take from central nc to morgan co, tenn and then later to ark.? time frame is starting 1840 in nc, 1850 in tenn, arriving ark by 1857.

Re: Migration from Georgia to Alabama

SFarmer9302 — 2011-08-17 17:12:04Z

I think part of it depends on when your ancestors moved. It could be that new land was made available to settlers. Look at the history of the place where your ancestors moved from (was there a natural disaster?), as well as the place where they moved to (was there a gold rush?) for clues. Maybe some of your ancestors' relatives had already moved there and told your ancestors how wonderful Alabama was. Sometimes entire church groups moved.

My ancestors moved across the border from Harris Co., GA to Russell Co., AL. I am not sure what they gained by making that move. Of course after that they moved to Columbia Co., Fl.

Good luck.
Sandra

Migration from Georgia to Alabama

mattmonk1980 — 2011-06-26 03:57:04Z

I have done limited searches of my family tree. I was born and raised in Cullman, Alabama. In my limited research of my family's history, I found that all my ancestors on both my mom and dad's side moved from Georgia (from what I can find the west Georgia counties of Carroll and Heard) to Cullman and Blount counties in the early 20th century. From what I can gather almost all of these ancestors were farmers. Does anyone know why so many farm families moved from West Georgia to North Central Alabama during this time.

Thanks

Re: Question - New York to Michigan

montaniz — 2011-05-17 13:48:36Z

Have you tried looking at the names of Michigan neighbors (especially those who were born in NY) and tracking them back in the census to New York - the so-called cluster approach?

Migration Quebec-Duluth 1900

jhagen1938 — 2011-01-21 20:50:05Z

My Norwegian Gfather, Carl Benjamin Hagen, born in Sweden in 1866 arrived in Montreal 23 September 1900 on SS Dominion from Liverpool. He had a brother in Duluth. Dominion Line had issued travel docs including train ticket "to destination" (Duluth). I have not found any concluding info on how he would have traveled? Any tips?

Re: Migration from Augusta GA to W. TN and MS

rom1556 — 2010-10-31 23:42:25Z

saw your post about migration from augusta. several years ago, i stumbled on a history of petersburg ( of old petersburg road fame). the town was gone long before it was covered by clark hill lake. the book described the destination of several of the families as being some place in alabama

Wolverhampton to Newport

vernon513 — 2010-10-12 17:00:21Z

Around 1900 my wifes family were among a large number of people who left Wolverhampton to work for Lysaghts steel company in Newport.South Wales. Would anyone have any information on this migration or perhaps point me in the right direction where to get it. Is it possible local papers at the time reported it? or the company advertised for skilled men to move to Newport. The names in my tree that did move were Cregg. Blud . and Davies.

1850 Sni-a-bar, Jackson, MO to areas near 1860 Healdsburg, Sonoma, CA

scwbcm — 2010-09-27 22:51:11Z

Many of the 1850 Sni-a-bar, Jackson, MO individuals or family members go to areas near 1860 Healdsburg, Sonoma, CA (see also Mendocino Township, Sonoma, CA). Some of these families are related even before getting to CA. There are some very intriguing names among the list, as well as some interesting possible connections. Please note this is a tentative listing. Compare list to the names Josiah Gregg, Joseph Rutherford Walker, Harmon Heald, etc.

Margaret Vaughn, Louisa Francis Bell, William James Vaughn, Thomas H. Vaughn, Jesse Hutchins Vaughn Sarah Elizabeth Vaughn, Josephine Vaughn, Mary Caroline Vaughn, Elizabeth Tatlow Heald, Louisa J. Barnette or Louisa J. Barnett, Mary Ann Koger or Mary Ann Coger, William Koger, Matilda Anglin, John Keith Dillingham, Henry R. Bledsoe, Richard Ives, Moses Carroll Hendricks, Charity Emeline Gililland, Enoch Pinkney Henderson, Elizabeth Henderson, Alexander Skaggs (Scaggs), Missouri Francis Thomas, Solomon Stanley, Sarah Henderson, James M. Stanley, Josiah Gregg, John B. Wood, Martha Wilson, Abner Bryant, John Price, Lilburn W. Boggs and some of the children of Samuel Bell, including at least one who was a wagon train captain.

Notice also The Vaughn family ties to many names including Joseph R. Walker and the Bell family. Please see stories for more sources at Margaret Vaughn who married Samuel Bell and her brother Thomas H. Vaughn. Notice Joseph R. Walker was in Jackson, MO in 1830 and Joel P. Walker was there.

Re: Pennsylvania to Wisconsin

llegacy165 — 2010-09-15 18:19:48Z

Dodgeville WI is in Iowa County so maybe you could search the Iowa County records for his name and his family names.Dodgeville is in the mining part of Wisconsin, so he must have been a miner. As far as Missouri records, I would try to search the state death records for that time period and see what comes up.What is the surname?

Re: N. Carolina to Indiana

Lee_Maynus — 2010-09-02 09:51:08Z

That is a very common migration route. Many families from NC and TN settled in IN about that time. The general route is as follows:

Many roads extended from western NC into the north eastern corner of TN. The key passage was the Cumberland Gap at the TN/KY border. From there,the route traveled north east (Daniel Boone blazed the trail) to Corbin, KY and then went north to Lexington, KY and then northwest to Louisville, KY. From Louisville, Indiana is right across the Ohio river.

Re: Migration in July 1850

Lee_Maynus — 2010-09-02 09:32:33Z

That is almost certain what they did. By 1850 there was rail connectivity between New York City to Buffalo. From there the Great Lakes were used. Rail travel was more expensive than using the Erie Canal, but much faster. It would have only taken a day or two to get to Buffalo from NYC.

The Great Lakes had a robust shipping industry by then. Great distances could be traveled by a steam boat, as it could operate 24 hours a day and not be a slave to wind. The entire length of Lake Erie could be run in about a day.

This would not have been cheap, but not prohibitively expensive either.

Re: Travel from Eastern NY to Ohio

Lee_Maynus — 2010-09-02 09:02:44Z

Concerning this movement pattern to the west, there has always been a land route to Buffalo that more or less followed the route set by the later Erie Canal. The goal was to get to Buffalo, stock up, and travel west via the Great Lakes.

Re: Migration from Augusta GA to W. TN and MS

rone21 — 2010-04-12 20:10:40Z

I have a book "Indian Trails of the Southeast" that references 3 possibilities- The Lower Creek Trading Path, the Middle Creek Trading Path and the Occcaneechi Path. I've been trying to determine the route my folks took btw. 1870-1880 to Mississippi. These 3 seem the most likely. You may be able to Google these to see where they route. I was looking for Lnacaster CO, SC- Augusta- Fayette Co, AL- to Attala Co., MS

Re: Joseph Anthony Herburger Esq.

reoutzen — 2010-03-20 23:54:13Z

Kody, Thanks for your reply. I will look into the Ringsheim possible connection.

Do you have any info about the original migration of Mutz's from Germany? Thanks again!

Robin

Re: Joseph Anthony Herburger Esq.

kmnm312 — 2010-03-20 18:43:48Z

It is good to hear from a family member. Yes, my research has led to Herbolzheim in southwest Germany as being where Herman immagrated from. I also came across an article about a nearby town that had some Mutz's in the history, Ringsheim. It is nearby Herbolzheim. Since she is going, she my want to check out another possible family connection over there. There is a Mutz hotel over by Munich. I don't know if it would be a similar line.

Keep in touch.

Kody Mutz

Re: Joseph Anthony Herburger Esq.

reoutzen — 2010-03-19 17:27:28Z

I am also a descendant of Herman Mutz, and would love to be in touch with other descendants of this Mutz line. A sister is traveling in Germany soon, and I'd love to get info as to origins-looks like the area of Herbolzheim(sp?)
Please reply asap! Thanks.

Robin Outzen Winchester

Re: Hamberg to U.S. via Canada, circa 1880

hankhamberg — 2009-11-07 21:45:45Z

The Hamberg clan occupied a vally in Austria Circe 780 ad the clan members were driven north by the Moors, Romans. and agian by Napolion.
Members of my clan settled on yhe german /Dytch border at Hardensberg, near Mount Hamberg Germany, I can trace my family members back to the Napolian days.
For more info contact me.

Pennsylvania to Wisconsin

jeanieluigi — 2009-09-24 00:41:24Z

I know from a letter from one of the daughters that her family left Carbondale PA about 1840, went through Pittsburgh, crossed the river into Ohio and worked at coal mines there for a time before continuing on to Missouri where they ran out of money and stayed for a couple years. The father then went up into Dodgeville WI and worked for a time before coming back for the children. The mother evidently died in Missouri. It seems to be such an irregular route to get to Wisconsin that at first I thought perhaps they took the Ohio River to the Mississippi River and then north. However the letter stated that they crossed the river into Ohio. Any thoughts on why they may have taken this route if they weren't using waterways? Are there any logical searches I could do in Missouri to try to find out where the mother was buried when I don't know the town? Thanks for any help.

Quebec to Dakota Territory

gspittman1 — 2009-05-03 15:24:46Z

I am researching an immigrant family that settled in the Dakota Territory in the 1880s. Their ship arrived in Quebec City in 1888. Does anyone have any idea what their route or mode of travel might have been to get to Dakota? Any help appreciated!

Migration from Augusta GA to W. TN and MS

bcmathews — 2009-01-20 22:36:57Z

Augusta GA seems to have been a starting point for many settlers moving from Western SC to W. TN and MS. I would have found reference to the Unicoi/Cisco Rd going from Augusta to Nashville. Was there a route that transversed N GA and N AL to get to MS?

Ellsworth Maine to Louisville KY

gem5955 — 2008-12-28 13:48:26Z

My great grandmother and her sister at ages 180 and 19 went from Maine to KY. In 1850 they are in Maine and then in 1860 in Kentucky.

How would they have gotten there? Why - jobs?

My greatgrandmother then goes to Brooklyn, NY and married in 1866. Her husband came from Ireland and lived in Broolyn. He served in the Civil War but no connection to KY that I can find.

Clueless
Ellen

Re: Travel in 1885

jtriplebar — 2008-11-19 19:24:42Z

Point of interest.
It is not Promontory Point, Utah. The rails met at Promontory Summit, Utah. My father was raised in Promontory and this is how I know this. Plus I have spent many hours in Promontory.

Re: Migration in July 1850

Trisha709 — 2008-11-10 02:30:32Z

I am so happy to hear from you also. Could you email me at pellertrisha@yahoo.com? I'll be able to give you my family line. Can't wait to hear back from you. I have some questions about my line past Johann Edenharder. I believe the information my Grandpa's siter had may be incorrect in certain areas.

Talk to you soon.
Trisha

Re: Migration in July 1850

Grannyto24 — 2008-11-10 02:25:47Z

Thanks for the reply. Since my original post in 2003, I have hired a rearcher in Bavaria, and also located the "Permission to Leave" document for my Stigler and Ostermann ancestors, and Edenharder brothers.

It took them 14 days to get from New York to Milwaukee, so I think it is possible that they came by the Erie Cana and then a boat on Lake Erie to Lake Huron to Lake Michigan.

Mary

Re: Migration in July 1850

Grannyto24 — 2008-11-10 02:21:25Z

Hi Trisha,
I found your reply and very interesting post...I am excited that you replied, and that you are related to both Edenharder and Stiegler/Stigler - Ostermann families! I have not found any new "cousins" in many years. I do have a lot of Edenharder data which I would be happy to share with you, as well as Stiegler/Stigler and Ostermann data.
My husband is a great grandson of Johann Michael Stiegler/Stigler. I have records from Bavaria indicating that the Edenharder and Stiegler/Stigler families intermarried.
Both families came to America aboard the "Ship Alex Edmond," which left from Le Havre, France, probably in late April or early May of 1850. The Master and Captain of the ship was James Mustant. The “Ship Alex Edmund” had 253 steerage passengers and 10 cabin passengers on board when it arrived in the port of New York on 15 July 1850. On the Manifest of Passenger list, his name is spelled as "Michel Stigler", and he was passenger #137. Maria Anna Ostermann was #138. They arrived in Milwaukee where they were married 29 July 1850, along with the Edenharder brothers and their fiances. The couples were witnesses to each others marriage.

I would like to correspond with you, and find out where you fit into my families. I am familiar with the Kohler (Koller) families also.

Mary
Mary

Re: Migration in July 1850

_Tootsie — 2008-11-10 01:10:12Z

After doing a bit of researching, it doesn't appear that the Grand Trunk RR was incorporated until around 1853. Not sure if there were any RRs operating that area in 1850. The letter I mentioned was written in 1855.

Re: Migration in July 1850

_Tootsie — 2008-11-10 00:42:14Z

They may have travelled via the Grand Trunk Railroad from Lake Erie to Detroit, and then northward to Milwaukee. Try a search for the routes of the Grand Trunk RR. I have a copy of letter from an ancestor who went via the GT RR to Illinois in that time period.

HENRY W. JOLLY BORN 1813 OR 1814, ENGLAND TO LOUSIANA USA

ANGELA4BELL — 2008-11-04 22:18:15Z

WHAT WOULD BE THE MIRATION PATTERNS FROM ENGLAND TO LOUSIANA USA, FROM NOVA SCOTIA TO LOUSIANA USA?

Re: transportation in 1900's

gramaduck — 2008-07-30 20:12:19Z

Thanks so much, I will follow up on what you have said.

Re: transportation in 1900's

donnaleejudd38 — 2008-07-30 17:45:26Z

Rail Road. 1891 Grain Dealers and Shippers Gazetteer. Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. I have more info typed up but it would take up more then the area here. It lists the Baltimore and Ohio Rail Roud, Atchinson Topeka & Santa Fe, Chicago Kansas and Nebraska RR, Union Pacific Rail Road and Missouri Pacific Rail Road.

transportation in 1900's

gramaduck — 2008-07-13 00:02:29Z

My grandparents on both sides came to California from New York & Pennsylvania between 1900 & 1904. Please give me a clue as to how to find clues on what were their means of travel, Railroad, ship or what. I know it's a dumb question, but I can't seem to find a quick answer online,I thought it would be there, so I am asking the list if they can point me in the right direction.
Thanks for any help you can give me to begin my search.
Diane in CA

Travel from Eastern NY to Ohio

bettyjane_lee — 2008-06-19 18:57:51Z

I have two families that were in eastern NY, the first family in Otsego Co., NY migrated to Licking Co. Ohio in 1830 to 1840. The Erie Canal route doesn't seem to be the answer. Were their trade routes and/or trails?

The second family was in Renselear Co., NY and then turned up in Portage Co. Ohio by 1840. Could they have traveled the same route but stopped shosrter?

One family traveled to Gratiot Co. Michigan in 1850, the other to Lenawee Co., Michigan in the 1840's.
Any help as to where to find any information will be helpful. Thank you

Re: Migration in July 1850

Trisha709 — 2008-06-14 18:11:21Z

Hi there, I came across your post on John and George Edenharder and the Ostermann Family. I am also a descendant of both families and am wondering if you have more information on the families you could share with me. My Great, Great, Great Grandfather John edenharder was the son of Margarethe Koller, who was the daughter of John George Koller and Anna Maria Ostermann. I do show that they settled in Wisconsin but didn't have the exact date. Do you happen to have a passenger manifest for them? I have been searching for that for a while now. Thank you very very much in advance for any help.

As far as their migration I know that the people who came to Wisconsin came by boat, because another ancestor of mine Baldas Thoma came from the port of New York as well by boat to Wisconsin. I'm not sure on the time frame of how long it would take for them to get there. 4 days seems kind of short. Baldas' son August E. Thoma married Mary Edenharder, daughter of John Edenharder. I'm not sure if you had that info. or not. ;) How exactly are you related. Seems we are distant cousins.

Trisha

Europe to Havana to NY?

JNelson4821 — 2008-04-19 16:04:39Z

Does anyone know anytning about ships/ports that left Europe for Havana, Cuba? Several Europeans, including an immigrant I am researching from Denmark, arrived in NY Harbor on board the Saratoga in 1880. The Saratoga made several runs between Havana and NY in the 1800's.
Thanks.
Jon

Re: NY to TX migration route in 1874

Harry936 — 2008-04-18 23:21:15Z

You're right, they might have gone down the Mississippi, but they also could have sailed from New York to Galveston. Trains also first appeared in Texas with north/south routes in the mid-1870s.