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Re: C&O Ship Canel - Potomac River

DVandRhys — 2009-03-20 00:41:32Z

I once lived near that area. The only thing I remember about the Canal was that it cost something ungodly, like 1,000 lives a foot (might have been 100, still too high). Many were Irish immigrants.

~D

People landing in Natchez were usually from __?

MarlonEbey1 — 2008-11-29 16:51:33Z

Got any answers?

Re: river migration

2002-09-18 17:09:24Z

Lee, Thanks for the reply, you are absolutely correct, we tend to think that the early ones didn't travel much, now we are finding that NOT to be true. They really got around!
As for John, no doubt they thought he was dead, hard to think they would abandon him. Course I know nothing much about this guy, (except he dropped from a space ship in 1802) possibly he wasn't the best kid on the block, and they did move off and leave him, LOL.(there is another oral tradition that said he was "trading with the Indians", that leads me to believe that it must have happen after they left VA) I do know that my grgrandfather(his grandson) went to OK during the land rush, and someone shot an Indian in front of him, he was so disgusted that he moved back to IL, he really was a kind man. He couldn't put up with that sort of ill treatment toward Indian, Black or anyone for that matter, he was known for that.....so... I say it came from somewhere in his background.
I really do spin off , don't I...sorry...thanks again, and I hope to find a clue to this guy in your data, until then, Kitty

Re: river migration

K_Gloyne — 2002-09-17 18:40:47Z

Lee, thank you for replying, no I do not know location in Va, if I did I wouldn't have my nose pressed against this brick wall.

There were several Adams families in the Saline/White counties IL area, I sort of doubt they were related to mine.

John was in TN ca 1830 to about 1838-40 then in Ky, family has it that they were in Christian Co Ky, but I haven't been able to prove that. They hit Saline Co Il just after last child was born as she is 1/12 old in 16 Oct 1850, date census was taken.

Family lore is that John left home, was gone about 5 years and when he returned home the family had left. (Nobody seems to know where he left home from.) My great uncle said, that they lived in So and No Carolina either before or after John was born- lore is also that he hunted all over and never found the family.
Two of his sons served in the CW, brought along their own horses, one son Stephen served to the end and died in Phillipstown White Co Il soon after ,1865. The other son Alexander left the service too soon, seems as tho he thought he was let go because of lung problems, well the Army was working on the release, but it hadn't reached him yet so, technically he deserted, and was caught up with near Vicksburg-I think. Don't know what happen to him.
I know there were several Va families in Humpreys and Dickson Co TN, from Halifax Co VA Adamses, and in 1888 (?) there was an old John Adams from the Halifax bunch that came to Williamson Co Il (published b-day picnic)where my Adamses were and told of having 3 wives and think 27 children, and he had lived in TN for a while, this old guy was b ca 1790's too young to be my John's father. I pursued this for awhile, but didn't quite pan out. He died in Perry Co IL.
I don't know where to go from here other than doing the census' and taxlists for TN & KY, and just keep looking for him. Any ideas?

Re: river migration

2002-09-14 20:59:24Z

Would you know where your ancestor, John Adams (born 1802) hailed from in Virginia?

I am descended from one of the John Adams of Bedford County, VA and am attempting to piece together the several families of Adamses from that area. I was hoping I could associate your John with one of the families located there.

Re: river migration

K_Gloyne — 2002-09-17 18:12:36Z

WOW Barry, thats alot of info, and it does kinda help. I know they were "River Rats" for a while(I hope thats the correct term?) I'm on my way to IL in a few days, will see what I can find....Thanks

Gila river TX-CA CASNER family

ncunningham — 2002-10-28 15:40:53Z

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Re: The Tribe family

mkreklau — 2003-01-12 23:06:41Z

There were (2) books published in 2000 by McGill-Queens University Press in Ontario regarding the Petworth emigration during the period 1832-1837.

The Tribe family, of which I am also a descendant, was part of this emigration. The books are, Assisting Emigration to Upper Canada - The Petworth Project 1832-1837, and English Immigrant Voices - Labourers' Letters from Upper Canada in the 1830's.

The first book gives detail on who funded the emigration, who was selected, the routes they took, where the families came from in England and where they settled in Canada. It also has a brief family history of the families that came to Canada.

The Laborers' letters I have found fascinating since they describe the trip over, the conditions they travelled in, the land and experiences they had.

It appears there were (2) different Tribe families involved with this emigration; my line was Henry Tribe of Sussex, his wife Charlotte, their unmarried children, and at least (3) of his married children, including his married son, Benjamin.

There are also other Tribes: George Tribe, wife Sarah Heather, from West Sussex, James Tribe, Shiddingfold, Surrey, John Tribe, James' brother, Thomas Tribe, uncle of John and James. There is no indication that these families were related.

The TRIBE family migration via the St., Lawrence River

Shirley_Sundberg — 2002-12-16 20:35:37Z

Iknow that when the Tribe family came from England in 1832 and docked in the Montreal area of Canada..they came down the St. Lawrence River to what is known as Toronto today...

Does anyone know what kind of boats etc. were used at that time for this trip down the St. Lawrence??...or any info on this would be greatly appreciated...

Shirley

river migration

kgloyne0931 — 2005-03-21 17:44:45Z

I would be interested in anyone with knowledge of people who used the rivers to migrate from state to state, and people who sold or peddled their wares by river. Does anyone know about this type of travel, and trading? Since I'm the first one on this list/board guess I'll have to wait for a while to contact anyone.

Our ancestor John Adams b Va 1802 used the Ohio River to peddle wares in the 1840s(or before) to probably 1850s.He had lived in TN, KY and Saline/White Cos IL, died ca 1857.It was told that he would buy wares in the Cincinnati (spell) Ohio area, and go downstream selling till he got to Cairo IL or another Mississippi River port, sell his raft and go home either by foot or buy a horse and ride home. Is there any place that I could read about this type of occupation? So IL calls them "River Rats", must have been many who did this???

Re: river migration

chn0205 — 2008-05-07 21:45:47Z

Swansie I couldn't agree with you more. I am really getting fed up with this sort of thing. Try looking in google for The Wilderness Trail. That trail and the Ohio river was the main means to get past the mountains. There is a good book by a man named Speed with that title. It contains several pages on the subject. Also, I understand that the Cinncinnati Public Library has a large section on the rivers, flatboat etec.

Carl

New York to Missouri 1854

ljames621 — 2006-10-19 04:17:38Z

My ancestor got off a ship in New York Harbor on May 9th 1854. She ended up in central Missouri by November or December 1854. I think she would have taken the easiest route for traveling with an 18 month old and 3 year old child. I believe she could have very easily taken a train to Wheeling PA, correct me if I am wrong. She bought a young slave along the way who was born in Ky. This leads me to think she may have taken a boat from Wheeling along the Ohio River all the way to Missouri. Does anyone have any suggestions for reading up on this route? or was this a route used frequently? Thanks!
Lisa James

Re: river migration

ADDAH_C — 2006-01-02 04:52:49Z

i am looking for info on martha adams carrigg. she married james carrigg and lived in south carolina. i'm having trouble finding her parents though because i don't know if they were from sc or not. james came from ireland through ny so he could have met her at. it's a long way from ny to sc.

IN to MO, 1850

shebbear — 2004-07-23 22:18:19Z

I have ancestors who migrated from Hendricks Co, IN (near Indianapolis) to Laclede and Polk Co, MO in about 1850. I'm really interested in learning how they might have traveled. Would they have used the rivers for part of their journey, or would they have gone mostly overland? Do you know of any sources that descibe such a journey?

Thanks,
Cindy Kennedy

Re: river migration

Swansie — 2004-03-10 16:34:17Z

The beginning of this "thread" was very interesting about river migration and would have loved to read more, however, half of the messages spun off and pertained to a John Adams family.
Very disappointing.

Re: The Tribe family

2003-04-17 12:34:45Z

Hi Shirley,

I can not answer you specific question, I'm afraid but my branch of the Tribe family came from East Meon in Hampshire. I've traced paternal lineage back to 1650 (ish). In the 1800s they appear to have been farm labourers. My great grandfather joined the police in 1870.

Regards,
Russ.

Re: C&O Ship Canel - Potomac River

Nettie_Marie — 2003-02-06 11:36:49Z

I own the book titled I Drove Mules on the C & O canel. It has a lot of people, places and history in it. It was written by Hooper Wolf from Williamsport, Md. If I can look anything up in it for you please contact me at nettiemarie234@aol.com

Re: river migration

2002-09-18 13:32:37Z

Although I "remember" the story about the "family leaving", I can not find anything in my hard copy. Perhaps I read it during my research and simply did not write it down, at the time thinking it was not pertinent to my particular family.

In front of me, as I sit here typing, is a little booklet about the Florida ADAMS family. I will not go onto much their personal detail of their lives because it isn't pertinent to your research. But here is one item that I found interesting which was the family's mobility.

Joel T. ADAMS (b.circa 1812 SC) was married to Jane OUTLAW (b.circa 1816 SC); they left SC and are found Sept 1840 in Sumter Co., GA; then Coffee Co., ALA, in 1841; then apparantly moving to Lafayette County, FL before 1854. Sometime between 1860 and 1870 Joel T. ADAMS left his family behind and disappears from record. It is thought he went back to GA.

That is quite a lot of moving about...perhaps a learned trait from prior generations that left your John Adams literally "Home Alone". I will continue scanning my many diskettes which store my electronic notes on the ADAMS so hopefully I can offer you additional info on the SC ADAMS and how they trace back to the VA ADAMS.

Re: river migration

2002-09-17 21:05:16Z

Lee, THANK YOU! Possible this is why I cannot find anything to connect with my John.
In what contex did the "being gone for five years" connect with your family or the Adamses?
You can bet I will follow this as far as I can, what do you have that might help? I have access to Anc.com, and much in the way of census etc.
Again, Thanks...I will share if I find anything.

Kathleen Gloyne

Re: river migration

2002-09-17 20:37:15Z

Oooohhhh! My heart beat faster when I read the part of your message that said..."Family lore is that John left home, was gone about 5 years and when he returned home the family had left. (Nobody seems to know where he left home from.)

And then as I continued to read on...."My great uncle said, that they lived in So and No Carolina either before or after John was born- lore is also that he hunted all over and never found the family."

I have heard that same story before. When researching my husband's fathers ancestry, I found he descended from a Joel Adams a Florida resident who had migrated from the Carolinas. I traced these Carolina Adamses back to Bedford County, VA. It seems they were originally part of my own grandmother's Adams family. But this particular clan had left Virginia for the Carolinas, then later generations migrated farther south into Florida.

I sure hope this tiny piece of "Adams Puzzel Info" helps you out in the search for your own John Adams. If you decide to investigate this further, I can offer what I have on them. Just let me know.

Re: river migration

K_Gloyne — 2002-09-17 18:12:36Z

Thanks to both of you for writing!

Missouri River Migration

MMatthews1889 — 2002-07-28 17:59:25Z

I am searching for a lost ancestor and am wondering he his family may have worked on the Erie Canal

C&O Ship Canel - Potomac River

2002-07-04 16:15:38Z

Is anyone working on the C&O Ship Canel which runs something like 184 miles from Cumberland, Maryland to Washington D.C.....on the Maryland side of the Potomac River. Passes places such as Harpers Ferry, Falls Church, etc.

On our recent vacation, we saw parts of this canel, and I am interested in life along it during its heyday. I understand a lot of the canel boats were built at Cumberland, Maryland.....that something like 2,000 mules were used to pull the boats....that an industrial revolution took place along this canel at places such as Harpers Ferry (the Arms factories of the Federal Government).....tons of coal moved on this canel....

just wondered if anyone else might be interested in the canel say 1820s to Civil War time.

I know George Washington lost a lot of money trying to build a canel......

Mary hlm@qtm.net

Re: river migration

csurine1 — 2002-07-02 09:21:44Z

Although I have nothing to help you, the other two options you might want to consider regarding migration in general are the canal systems, where people moved goods- -obviously prior to the railroads- -and ferries, i.e, how people crossed rivers, let's say in migrations westward, as well as commerce on the Great Lakes. Personally I find the whole migration topic and movement of populations (specifically the families I am studying) interesting. Families: SURINE/SIRRINE/SARINE, TUSING/TUSSING, SHEARHART

Re: river migration

barrye82 — 2002-05-31 01:31:10Z

You mention that your ancestor lived in White County, Illinois. In the 1850's and 1860's there was a riverboat landing on the Wabash River just above a small town called Maunie in White County. This landing was called Williams Landing, and it is located on the Wabash River close to what is now called Brown's Pond. I have the shipping ledgers for this landing and it was quite active at this period. The Civil War probably stopped much of the activity. Most of the goods brought into White County at this time probably came through here. The earliest settlers of White County in the 1820's and on came through a landing south of William's Landing at a small town called Rising Sun. Locally known as Dogtown. There was a research project about steamboat traffic on the Wabash several years ago that was out of the library at Southern Illinois University. They may still have the information they gathered at the library. There is in the White County History a description of how the early settlers traveled on the Wabash. Many early families in White County migrated from the Carolinas to Middle Tennessee up through middle Kentucky. Many left Muhlenberg County, Kentucky to purchase land at the Old Shawneetown land office in White County. They then moved up the river to settle in White County. I hope this helps.

Re: river migration

2002-05-27 17:22:05Z

Our family "story" is that Thomas Hunt family of Blount County, Tennessee with some families of adult children made this migration trip by river in 1851:
Built a houseboat (raft?) in neighboring county and carried family, possessions (including his still), and some livestock on trip down Tennessee River to Mississippi River to New Orleans where they sold the boat and traveled overland to Rusk County in East Texas. An earlier group of children's families (1847-48) reportedly came to Rusk County, TX overland by wagon, secured land, and sent word for the others to come on. My limited research inidicates that such a trip by those rivers would have been possible for a flat-bottom boat as a few steam boats had made it as far as Knoxville, TN by that time.

Re: river migration

mardalee123 — 2002-05-27 04:21:16Z

I don't have any info to help you but I also am fascinated in topic. I know that my ancestors, per an 1869 obit, took some of the same route as you mention: VA, KY, MO, TN, AR, TX, MS and in locating some of the places I've noticed that most--for two families who married into one another--followed closely to the Mississippi River at first. Don't know what they did, other than one was in 1848 War with Mexico in TX, then in Civil War in MS/LA and that his sister married on MS River in Helena, AR. The trading is interesting!