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Re: Captain Charles Chapman, sailed out of Liverpool

zoetropo — 2013-02-19 05:15:23Z

Dear distant cousin,

The Kitchens on my side have been Australia for several generations, so I'm sadly out of touch with Cornish (including Kitchen family) history.

Harriet Dowar was my 3rd cousin 2x removed; our nearest connection is from the latter 1700s:

Harriet Dowar (1881 - )
is your 3rd cousin 2x removed
Rosena 1851 ("Rosinna") Kitchen ("Hirshon") (1851 - 1900)
Mother of Harriet
Thomas 1813 Kitchen (1813 - 1854)
Father of Rosena 1851 ("Rosinna")
Thomas 1778 Kitchen (1778 - 1863)
Father of Thomas 1813
JOHN 4ggf 1746 Kitchen (1746 - )
Father of Thomas 1778
JOSEPH 3ggf 1795 Kitchen (1795 - )
Son of JOHN 4ggf 1746
JOSEPH mfff 1821 Kitchen (1821 - 1851)
Son of JOSEPH 3ggf 1795
JOSEPH mff 1845 Kitchen (1845 - 1908)
Son of JOSEPH mfff 1821
THOMAS GEORGE mf 1890 Kitchen (1890 - 1981)
Son of JOSEPH mff 1845
CONSTANCE MAY 1922 "Connie May" mother Kitchen (1922 - )
Daughter of THOMAS GEORGE mf 1890
Geoffrey Richard 1957 Driscoll Tobin
You are the son of CONSTANCE MAY 1922 "Connie May" mother

Re: Demont F Morenzy ships surgeon

MHead63 — 2013-01-26 09:56:50Z

Hi,
This is all very intriuging. Where have you found info of this person coming and going from Ireland/ England and USA and Canada also where is the information re the nothern Ireland hospital.
I have scoured newspaper passenger lists and all those online but can't find him anywhere.
I know Demont Morenzy applied for a US passport in autumn 1858.

Where did the Durham relatives live exactly. Did they have a big estate up there? What were their names?
Also, are you living in UK?
I am in Derbyshire.

On Demont's second marriage certificate it states he was born in Lincolnshire. Very puzzling.

I am eagerly awaiting the results of your research into this devious man.
My friend in Pennsylvania will be thrilled if we can pin down her
great grandfather to some family in UK.

We have found so much about him after his graduation in Philadelphia but nothing of his origins,

Cheers and thanks
Marianne Head

Re: Demont F Morenzy ships surgeon

bugsbuglet — 2013-01-25 19:59:28Z

Right, I'll give it a go. I did notice in my research a person of that name 'coming and going' between Ireland, England, and USA/Canada, at about the right time. The person that I noticed also did a stint at a hospital in Northern Ireland.
I'll get back in due course

Re: Demont F Morenzy ships surgeon

MHead63 — 2013-01-25 19:00:07Z

Hi again,
I have gathered my thoughts a little more about Demont Morenzy. Sorry but this will be a long message.
I am doing this research for an ancester of Demont who lives in Pennsylvania.
Demont went to USA in 1848 as on the 1900 USA census
He was born on 20 May 1832 in Durham as on the 1870 USA census
He quaified as a doctor in 1854 from the Philadelphia college of medicine
He married Catherine Rebecca Carpenter in 1855

He says during a court appearance as a witness that he visited England in late 1858 then went to Belfast and worked as doctor there for one year and then went to Liverpool for 6 weeks, not working, then worked on passenger ships as a surgeon for 2 years.
He had 4 sons, one died in infancy and after his wife died in 1876 he moved to Illinois and remarried and had 2 daughters. he died in 1905.

I have drawn up a family tree from your message and ruled out the first two Williams as beig too old or dead to be his father and William 111 who died in 1850 can't be his father either as who was Demont visiting in 1858?
The William 1V is too young to be his father.
Demont also stated that his uncle worked as a visitng physician in the Belfast hospital in 1859.

Who were the Durham relatives??? ..this seems a likely avenue of research.

What school might he have attended in England???

I hope you can answer some of this puzzle...
Thanks
Marianne Head

Re: Demont F Morenzy ships surgeon

MHead63 — 2013-01-25 15:58:10Z

Hi,
All or most of this info is to be found on queries I and other researchers have been deliberating over for some years, but where do you get the idea from that one member of the family left for USA under the assumed name of Demont Morenzy. What proof is there.
I need proof, perhaps a passenger list.

I would be very keen to know of the source. He did state, on his second marriage certificate that his mother was Letitia Egan and his father William ??
He did not have a wife when he went to USA in 1848 or 1850 as he was only 16 or 18. He married the daughter of the ex mayor of Lancaster city

Do you know where he went to school? He was very well educated and had a classical education so must have been to a public school here in England.
I would be interested to hear your reply to my queries

M Head

Re: Demont F Morenzy ships surgeon

bugsbuglet — 2013-01-25 14:54:45Z

Hi,

Hope I've got the right person!

I'm a family researcher myself and I happened across your queries over the last few years, reference a person called Morenzy. My understanding is that he was a descendant of the Irish De Montmorency family (County Kilkenny). This was a big widespread well-off aristrocratic family in the late 1700's and early to mid 1800's. They were a junior branch of even older and more aristocratic sister families in Europe and UK. The mainland European branch goes back many centuries, and even in Victorian time their links with the Irish branch were already very weak. Some parts of the early family in Ireland and UK were originally called Morres, and their main estates were at Mount Morres. This was convenient because it enabled them to use the name De Mount Morres to strengthen their dying hold on their De Montmorency name....this slight of hand wasn't universally popular with the family fathers in Europe!
Anyway, back to your search. We understand that a wayward great great aunt of mine (Mary Buggy 1775-1850's)was estate secretary at the family estates near Kilkenny in Ireland. She had an illicit dalliance with the eldest son of the family. He was Sir William(II)Evans Ryves Morres (de Montmorency)(1769-1829). The father (master of the estate)was Sir William(I)Evans Morres. The son's dalliance with Mary(1798-1802)produced 2 (under the bedsheets) offspring: William(III)de Momtmorency and Haydock Morres. Son No 2 Haydock got married twice (both to Catherines, I think) and had offspring in the 1820's. Son no.1, William(III) appeared to have led a slightly roughish and wild early life and managed to spend heavily from his father's dwindling estate. After an unconventional start involving his future wife's abduction he actually managed a marriage (1818)to Harriet Ursula Mossum. There were 3 children William(IV), Harriet Ursula, and Louisa. William(III)himself died in mysterious circumstances in Middlesex, England in 1850. We believe he was fond of the bottle, and probably other things too!! Earlier on when the estate was on its knees, after his father's death he had to rent it all out through agents. One of William's agents was unable to evict Mary Buggy (and her relatives) from the house which had been allowed to live in on the estate. In the 1840's there was a major and scandalous court case over this where all the dirt came out, and Mary won! Eventually Mary went, and the Estate was all sold off to pay William(III)'s debts.
I understand that your man was either William(IV)(from Harriet and William(III)s marriage) or one of the other children from Haydock's marriage. William IV would have been born around 1820. It was known he joined the British army, probably 76th regiment, but fate unknown after that. It was also known that all of William(II)'s children, and grand children, were traumatised and shaken, and perhaps shamed, by their families turn of events and there had been talk of emigration and name changing. It was also known that one family member did actually leave, believed with his wife, for USA under an assumed name Demont Morenzy. There were strong connections with the NE of England and Durham, because the family had cousins there, and also because there were family army connections there.
Hope that helps!

Let me know if can be of any further assistance.

James DUKE (1822-1865), merchant mariner of Sussex

D_Mawle — 2012-11-12 14:34:18Z

I will be very grateful to anyone who can give me the details of the reference to him in the data base GREAT BRITAIN, MASTERS AND MATES CERTIFICATES 1850-1927. Thanking you in advance with kind regards, Dave Mawle

Re: JAMES DUKE (1822-1865), merchant mariner of Sussex

lc11191 — 2012-11-10 16:58:07Z

Hi Dave,
glad I could be of some help.

Please contact me via
pat10325@gmail.com

and I will give you access to my tree on Tribal Pages

Pat

Re: JAMES DUKE (1822-1865), merchant mariner of Sussex

D_Mawle — 2012-11-10 16:49:18Z

Hi Pat,
Thank you very much for finding this for me. The second one of James Duke born in Bexhill is my James. The 1st one from the Scilly Isles is unrelated. It doesn't give enough info on the 3rd one but I find it unlikely that he was made a mate in July 1851 and a master in Sept. of the same year. I'm curious to know which Dukes you have on your tree. James was one of 8 children born to Walter Duke (1792-?) and Elizabeth Russell of Bexhill. Walter and his younger sister Harriet (1795-1871) were 2 of 10 children born to John Duke and Mary Bennet of Bexhill. Harriet married my gt-gt-grand-father, John Mawle (1784-1867) and their daughter, Ann Rebecca Mawle (1830-1878)married her cousin, James Duke in 1858. There are very few records of James probably because he was at sea at the time of census-taking. On the 1871 census, Ann Rebecca was a widow,but there was no sign of a death record of James until a relation found a headstone in a Bexhill cemetery inscribed with his death in Calcutta, India in 1865. The couple had a daughter named Anna, born in 1862 and I'm in contact with her descendants. Bexhill parish records give a baptism date of Oct. 20, 1822, so I think the DOB of Jan. 23, 1823 on his mate's certificate must be wrong. Once again, thank you very much for your help, and please let me know the details of your Duke relations. Kind regards, Dave

Re: JAMES DUKE (1822-1865), merchant mariner of Sussex

lc11191 — 2012-11-10 03:02:48Z

Hi Dave - here are the 3 references to James Duke-- the birth years are slightly off--

I hope this is what you were referring to. I have numerous Duke names in my family tree-- are you related to this James? if so who were his parents, do you know??

best regards, Pat

James Duke, merchant mariner

D_Mawle — 2012-11-08 14:51:54Z

I will be very grateful to anyone who can provide me with the details found in the data base GREAT BRITAIN, MASTERS AND MATES CERTIFICATES 1850-1927. Thanking you in advance with kind regards, Dave Mawle

John BUMSTED

yonks8 — 2012-10-15 05:07:39Z

Needing help to find more on a John BUMSTED he was with wife Sarah nee DREW and children..Martha, Abraham, James in the 1841 census All Saints NBL, don't know where he or his family were born as noted as not of this County. Age noted as 25 but wonder if a mistake was made his wife was 35 in 1841.

many thanks
Yonks8

Re: Captain Charles Chapman, sailed out of Liverpool

roberts321 — 2012-09-08 17:16:08Z

Good evening,

F.A.O. ZOETROPO

Re: Harriet (Hetty) Dower 1880 -1927 -

I hope you do not object to my contacting you via the message board, but I was unable to open your contact details and therefore had to use this route.

My interest lies in the life of an ancestor - Harriet Dower. I noticed that you have included Harriet Dower and her sisters Emma Jane, Edith, Priscilla Beatrice and Elizabeth all daughters of Samuel Dower, a tin miner and his wife Rosenna (nee Kitchen) as part of your Driscoll-Tobin Family Tree. I am hoping that you may be aware of any family remembrances regarding the Dower/Kitchen families.

I have placed two messages on the 'Dower' message board seeking information on the Dower family — one headed 'Dower' the other 'Five Dower Sisters of Wendron, Cornwall.'
I would appreciate any information you feel you could share with me.

I regret that I have no information regarding Captain Charles Chapman.

Thank you.

ROBERTS, Chief Engineer, Cecil Metcalfe

ElizabethHoward88 — 2012-08-16 13:29:59Z

Hi, as I replied to Eleanor , I did this search in 2009 for Hazel Wills who is the dau from memory of CM Roberts and so you are both related to Hazel , and probably know her ???? she is a young pensioner ex nurse and lives in Bucks ......

Re: ROBERTS, Chief Engineer, Cecil Metcalfe

martyr154 — 2012-08-16 12:32:35Z

Hello Eleanor,

It would be lovely to hear from you

regards
Martin Roberts - a very distant cousin (apparently LOL) :)

ROBERTS, Chief Engineer, Cecil Metcalfe

ElizabethHoward88 — 2012-08-15 08:55:39Z

Hi, thanks for this ......amazing how things turn up after so long, proves that you should always keep trying !! I did this for Hazel Wills , she is the mother as you know of Ann Punter who was with me on a long ago trip to Libya ; Hazel was always talking about the Cundys and her beloved father etc , so I did a very enjoyable family history for her , not sure she was interested, but it was a very interesting family for sure . Particularly the Metcalfes and the Roberts ........can`t now remember all the details , but Hazel has the file and the family tree.

Re: ROBERTS, Chief Engineer, Cecil Metcalfe

eleanorroberts84 — 2012-08-14 22:45:50Z

Hi

Cecil Metcalfe Roberts was my husband's grandfather. We can bring you up to date with the family.

Regards.

Eleanor Roberts

Re: Captain Charles Chapman, sailed out of Liverpool

SKandRC — 2012-08-02 17:23:17Z

There is a story beginning to emerge that all of Charles Chapman's many children may well have received a ring after he died in 1875 .... we think the rings were possibly all given to him on various voyages by grateful passengers. So the ring the museum has is not the only one that existed, but at present we don't know the current whereabouts of any others.

Re: Captain Charles Chapman, sailed out of Liverpool

zoetropo — 2012-07-25 23:39:08Z

The "William" who was an ambulanceman at Gallipoli was Charles William Chapman, son of Victor Chapman and grandson of William Foy the lightkeeper.

William Foy had a son, the maritime architect William Cuthbert Foy, ARVIA, born 1866 in Queenscliff, Port Phillip, Victoria. According to His Majesty's Stationery Office in Melbourne, in 1904 William Cuthbert applied for a patent for an improved boat design.

There's also a record of a submarine gun patent awarded to a William Cuthbert Foy of the Royal Dockyard in Sheerness, County of Kent, in 1918.

Re: 'Vanished Master Mariner - No death certificate! Ideas please

rjp_uk — 2012-07-17 08:48:11Z

Thanks again. Yep lots of knowledge re Mariners certificates BUT two of us for 3 years have still to pin him down. Only managed to ascertain that the John Pool who (rarely) appeared on census was he as ALL 3 boats were registered Sunderland. Hopefully we can get a crew list (1 may be in Nat Archives - the others St.John's, Newfoundland - maybe). Could not trace him last time at Nat Archives and T & W little info in this respect. He was around 67 so maybe he had another family in another port - but that will never be known. The man is an enigma.

Re: 'Vanished Master Mariner - No death certificate! Ideas please

halpark — 2012-07-17 06:52:59Z

Perhaps he just vanished for some totally unexplained reason of his own, the girl I mentioned did leave a note saying she was leaving and did not want anyone to look for her - no ration book, no ID card which were essential at the time. Suicide? No body. On a brighter note I happen to know that Tyneside Archives which I think are in Newcastle have a lot of information on the sea-going world (have a friend in South Shields who does a lot of research in that area) it might be worth a visit and asking their advice, also I think if you google something like Master Mariners' Certificates yuo will find the records are deposited at the National Archives - saw something about it recently cannot remember exactly where. Good luck.

Re: 'Vanished Master Mariner - No death certificate! Ideas please

rjp_uk — 2012-07-16 23:10:41Z

Thanks for the clarification. His wife was awarded funds by the various seamans charities and many years later (1920) she got a room in the merchant seamans almshouses, attached to Trafalger House in Sunderland - clearly it was never important to prove his death by way of a certificate. Captain Pool therefore remains a huge enigma-just how do you vanish/fall overboard within a few minutes from a small schooner moored at Bridport!! One day I will get lucky and get his masters certificate.Many thanks for the response.

Re: 'Vanished Master Mariner - No death certificate! Ideas please

halpark — 2012-07-16 22:04:36Z

You cannot have a death certificate without a body. If a person just vanished, anywhere, no death certificate would be issued unless he/she had been legally declared dead. This would only happen if an accident had had to be investigated or a relative had applied (after seven years disappearance I think) for the person to be "declared dead" to tie up some legal matter. For instance "Missing, presumed killed" during wartime would have to be declared as a definite death in court for inheritance matters to be settled - so it is possible to have cases where no death certificate can be found. I know a case where a young woman simply vanished into thin air in the lat year of WW2 - she was gone one morning and no trace of her was ever found. Her family never had her "declared dead" and when her sister died recently a close friend of hers was astonished when I mentioned the sister who disappeared - she had never heard a word about it in years of friendship, so no one will ever be able to find out when, how or whether (probably dead by now anyway!) she died or went off elsewhere for some unknown reason. It can happen.

Re: Paper cutting

martinroe222 — 2012-07-15 14:39:01Z

thats great thank you just the info i was looking for

Paper cutting

SKandRC — 2012-07-15 14:35:24Z

I've zoomed in and though it’s a bit blurr4ed, I can see that for example for Charles Chapman ( my husband's ancestor) the cutting says Chapman, Charles Lincolnshire (his place of birth) 1821 (his year of birth)
Next line – C (for captain), 8485 (his masters certificate number), Liverpool (where he got his certificate) and the year he got it in, 1853.
Subsequent lines are all the ships & voyages Charles Chapman undertook prior to 1869, which is the first year in this masters register. So the entries go ships name (Great Britain), her tonnage (20-odd thousand tons), the date he was on her in command, and then where she went (e.g. US, Australia, West Indies etc).

Re: Master Mariner

martinroe222 — 2012-07-15 10:32:43Z

the details of the paper cuttings is what i think is written in my photocopy is it possible for you to zoom in to read a cutting and send me the info on it please

Re: Master Mariner

martinroe222 — 2012-07-15 10:09:04Z

thank you so much for, that mine is slightly differnt and was taken off a micro film in Kew

Image 008 is of the original
screenshot 002 is zoomed in right ontop of the tiny insert on the original document
i think the 81828 is a ships number the name to the left is possibly the name of a ship or master

any thoughts would be gratefully received

regards martin

it seems the site wont allow me to upload pictures is there some how i can get them to you

Re: Master Mariner

SKandRC — 2012-07-15 09:01:07Z

If you are looking at what I think you are, which is a photocopy of the masters register ( I saw the original held at Guildhall library), columns in order are, from the left:
1st small column, usually nothing in it
2nd column Name of captain
then 4 columns all headed 'certificate’, 1st is number, 2nd where received, 3rd year, 4th special qualifications (usually empty)
The next column in this volume has a newspaper-like cutting stuck in with glue, which gives the mariner's full name, his place of birth& a few other details, obviously cut out of some other publication.
The columns beyond this are for each year - so in the example I’m looking at, the first column is for 1869, the next for 1870 & so on. In these columns is given details of the ships & voyages that the captain served on, I believe; and details of any key incident that happened to the mariner - his death for instance.
Copy of teh page I;m referrign to is attached.

Re: Master Mariner

martinroe222 — 2012-07-14 12:25:39Z

does anyone have an example page of the Certificates of Competency, Masters & Mates in the Foreign Trade, 1845-1906, PRO, BT 122

i recently received a photo copy of the ledger how ever the top section was missing indicating what each column was for. As in the middle of the photo copy is some very tiny writing and i`m hoping the column heading will give me a clue to what it means

'Vanished Master Mariner - No death certificate! Ideas please

rjp_uk — 2012-07-09 21:26:07Z

My Great Grandfather, Master Mariner John Pool appears in the mariners register as being presumed drowned in July 1897 - further research reveals this took place at Bridport on March 21st when "he was transacting the usual business of the ship, has never been seen since, supposed to be drowned'. He was working on The Flown a Sunderland ship. I can find no death certificate or anything else - he vanished! Any ideas any one - indeed were there occasion when a certificate was never issued?.

Re: Ships name.

hawayman — 2012-06-30 08:01:14Z

I am in contact with the descendants of a John Chisholm who live at Grand Cayman and they cannot throw any light on the ships name. I am told that as no records were kept in the Caymans they have had to use a book called “Notes on the history of the Cayman Islands” by George S.S. Hirst. Unfortunately whilst it describes the storm that came upon the ship and how John Chisholm was saved in some detail it doe's not name the ship which to my mind is strange as so much seems to be known about the incident.
What I would like to do is place John Chisholm on the ship that left Liverpool in early 1846 but I have no idea where to look for such information.
Thank you for your help to date halpark.

Re: Ships name.

halpark — 2012-06-30 07:27:20Z

Google "telephone directory Cayman Islands". There are only 8 private entries for Chisholm. Why not write a couple of polite letters asking if they know anything? Only costs a stamp and the worst that can happen is that they do not answer.

Re: Ships name.

hawayman — 2012-06-29 15:30:41Z

The seaman in question was a John Chisholm and I do have a copy of his ticket which was issued in Liverpool in 1845.
You are right the ship was on its way to Mexico but he did survive the wreck and eventually found his way to the Cayman Islands where his descendants still live. The information comes from a book but it doe's not hold together very well

Re: Ships name.

halpark — 2012-06-29 13:16:11Z

Do they have any record of who was on the ship and/or ticket numbers? If, of course he was on board, he could have been lost in the wreck and "south of Cuba" does sound as if the ship could have been on the way to Mexico. Cannot think of anything else at the moment. Good luck anyway.

Re: Ships name.

hawayman — 2012-06-29 09:40:16Z

No luck there I am afraid. The ship a brigg so it says left Liverpool in early 1846 ane was wrecked south of Cuba in a storm

Re: James Lewis Sea British sea captain 18th century

RochGravesRoyer — 2012-06-28 00:29:15Z

Here is what I have on Silas Lewis, son of Captain James Lewis II and Martha Collins. Including a photo of his tomb stone. ================================================================================================

Silas Lewis was born in 1774 in Marlborough, New Hampshire, and grew up raising farm animals and working the land. At the age of twenty-two, news came around that free land was obtainable in Lower Canada, the opportunity was too tempting and he left Marlborough to live near his brother Ezekiel in Shefford Township who established there 3 years prior. When Silas first arrived in Shefford he boarded with Ezekiel until a place of his own was built. In the spring of 1797, he fell the first tree on lot 22 in the 3rd range in Shefford located today on Clark Hill Street, Waterloo, Quebec. The logs were cut into planks and boards at Ezekiel's sawmill. He cleared thirty acres of land prior of receiving his grant. This lot was originally offered to Alexander Scott who relinquished his petition and settled in Farnham, Quebec. Meetings with the other settlers including Captain John Savage, leader of the township of Shefford was the next step to become an associate. Those meetings with John Savage were fruitful as Silas fell in love with his daughter, Mary 'Polly' Savage who was born May 2nd, 1779 in King's District, Columbia, New York. Silas and Mary were married about the year 1799 and soon a family of nine was upon them; Rhoda, Lynda, Mary, Amasa, Stewart, Harriett, Silas Jr., Diana, and Laura. Silas took the oath of allegiance to the King of England at Missisquoi Bay on July 10th, 1799. When the Letters Patent for Shefford Township was signed on February 20th, 1801, Silas and Ezekiel received their grant and both received twelve hundred acres of land. Silas' grant included the lot located on Clark Hill, also the lots 26 and 27 in the 5th range and the lots 25, 26 and 27 in the 6th range. In the year 1804, Silas sold his land and improvements to Daniel Clark of Alburgh, Vermont. Silas, his wife Mary and three daughters at the time, Rhoda, Lynda, Mary all moved to West Shefford for a year’s tearm then moved on lot 19 in the 3rd range in Shefford next to his brother Ezekiel who also moved from his original lot in 1804. Silas' farm was located today on corner of Lewis and Western Street, Waterloo, Quebec where the Jacques-Chagnon Arena stands today. For many years Silas and Ezekiel traveled and hunted together, bringing their sons along. Silas was devoted to the Episcopal Church, as he witness many births, baptisms, weddings and the deceased in Shefford. He spent most of his time raising his family and working on his farm. He was a quiet man with great virtues and respect amongst his friends. He was a private during the 1812 war in the 2nd batallion of the Eastern Township Militia led by his brother Captain Ezekiel Lewis, although they were never engaged in any battle. In his old age, his sight was failing to the point he could not see to write his name and his wife Mary could not write from infirmity of her hands. Their son Amasa took over the farm and helped his parents until their death. Silas Lewis died in September 1849 and Mary Savage died January 17, 1860. They are both buried in the Waterloo Cemetery on Court Street, Waterloo, Quebec, Canada.

George Elder - Mariner - 1851 to 1861

1_marcus_taylor84 — 2012-06-25 05:59:23Z

Hi
I am looking for any details of a George Elder who was a Mariner most probably out of Northumberland. His wife Elizabeth Elder (nee Richardson) is listed as a Mariners wife in the 1851 census, but by the time of the 1861 census she is a widow. Elizabeth was born in 1826/27 ish so am assuming George was born around the same time.
I know he was alive in 1851 (but not on the census - possibly at sea - but dead by 1861).
Their daughter - Mary Ann Elder - married George Mark Taylor who's father Mark Taylor was also a mariner who tragically lost his life at sea in 1848 - wash overboard from the Prince Albert in the Bay of Biscay (thanks to the information provided on this board).
Would be even more tragic if 2 of my 3xGreat Grandfathers lost their lives at sea.
Any information or pointers in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Marcus

Re: Hamburg-based Mariners and Merchants

hmtoutai — 2012-06-21 18:03:30Z

Hello Liz
Thanks so much for the reply.
Would it be better to share through private emails? Just let me know what you think.Have a good day
Hera Totutai
hmtoutai@hotmail.com

Re: Ships name.

hawayman — 2012-06-21 12:38:29Z

Thank you. I will most certainly try Glamorgan Archive Service.

Re: Ships name.

halpark — 2012-06-21 09:19:40Z

Might be worth asking the Registry of Shipping and Seamen, the records are held by Glamorgan Archive Service.

Re: Hamburg-based Mariners and Merchants

h0lifis1 — 2012-06-21 07:37:57Z

Hello Hera,

Sorry for delay in replying, I have just returned to the UK.
Yes, I am still researching the Clayton & Heath families and would be very pleased to share info with you.
Liz

Ships name.

hawayman — 2012-06-12 13:33:00Z

Hi,
Is it possible to find the name of a ship through the registration ticket of a seaman?
I have the ticket number of a John Chisholm who reputedly left Liverpool in early 1846 for Mexico but not the nmae of the ship.
Thank You
Bob Chisholm

Re: Hamburg-based Mariners and Merchants

hmtoutai — 2012-06-08 06:36:51Z

Are you still looking for information on the Clayton and Heath families?
My husband is a descendant of them.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Hera

Capt. James Lewis

LynnBednarsky — 2012-05-29 19:37:19Z

During my trial of Ancestry.ca I created a Lewis Family Tree that led me to Capt. James Lewis. I hope I have the lineage correct. His son Ezekial had son Ezekial Collins Lewis who had son Ephraim Lewis who had son T. Daniel Lewis. He was born in Milton, Quebec, went to the states and married Edith Clara Mason in Boston, Mass. and they had a son Everett Harold Lewis, my father, who was born in Leominster, Mass. in 1911. The family came to Quebec (Daniel Lewis, wife Edith and son Everett). Daniel died in 1927, but I remember my grandmother Edith. We lived in Granby, Que.

war of 1812 many mariner & navy prisoners

Dunroots — 2012-05-05 10:09:28Z

I've now put the 15,000 + British pows in pdf form - this is a photographed version of ADM 103/466
http://www.1812privateers.org/Great%20Britain/prisoners.htm

Re: Henry Smith- master mariner and harriet gardener

henry_smith488 — 2012-04-14 01:58:27Z

i believe harriet was born in Mayfield, Sussex, England and i dont know about henry. Henrys job is a master mariner i cant recall where i found this out and have no ide what it means.

minnie was born in 1856 in Limehouse, Middlesex, England as was Horatio on 15 May 1847 and harry in 1851 pamela was born in 26 Mar 1843 in London i think. all of them deied in queensland Australia

Thats about all i know

Thanks

Re: Henry Smith- master mariner and harriet gardener

warncoort1 — 2012-04-14 01:39:46Z

You will need to have a lot more detail for a Smith line.
Where and when did they marry?
Where and when did they die?
Were any children born in Australia?Their birth certificates would help.
What was Henry's occupation?
Have you traced the family on census returns?

Henry Smith- master mariner and harriet gardener

henry_smith488 — 2012-04-14 00:41:00Z

Just looking for the origins of this family or more bout either henry or harriet. this is what i know

henry lived about 1810-1860
harriet lived between 1816-1876

children
hurratio
Napoleon
pamela
minnie
harry

at some point they came to queensland australia i beleive after henry died and then harriet returned to england with minnie to follow her singing ambitions

any other relatives out there ??? also interseted about harry being a master mariner as to what that means

thanks

Re: James Lewis Sea British sea captain 18th century

RochGravesRoyer — 2012-04-08 20:44:16Z

Does any knows James Lewis' second wife's maiden name? Keziah ___?

Re: James Lewis Sea British sea captain 18th century

RochGravesRoyer — 2012-04-08 20:37:14Z

Hello Shalisse,

I would love to peruse James' pension records from the Rev war if it`s ok with you. I am currently writing a book on his son Ezekiel.

Thank you ever so much

Roch