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Re: "Hot L Sacto" Rick Wade lead singer - sacramento local country band

kingrocky33 — 2013-06-12 22:02:35Z

There was a 45, but it was just prior to "Hot L", and was called "Old Sacramento", by Bobby Doug Pierce, but we were the house band at the moose and packed it for 6 months every night. I just emailed Ricky Joe and have been in touch with everybody in the band. Every one is well and still playing music. we broke up in 1981, what a band! heres a pic

M. Christie actress from Boston

EdwardClarke43 — 2013-05-30 14:54:23Z

M.Christie an actress travelling first class landed in Liverpool England 5 May 1914, travelling from Canada but is described as "of Boston". Does anyone know anything about this person?

Re: Henry Santry Band

sallybwade38 — 2013-05-21 00:13:46Z

My father - Eddie Sandson was lead trumpeter with Henry Santry's band sometime in the 1920's. They traveled the country and played a lot of concerts and dances. I don't know any details, but I do have a really old photo of the band in front of a theatre which has the bands name on its sign.

Re: Circus, Portable Theatre & Music Hall

annrobson1 — 2013-03-16 12:33:04Z

I know Joseph's father was Richard John but need to know who his grandfather is .i know he was in Ireland at some time re theatre .i am an ancestor or them Joseph was my gt gt grandfather .

Dorothy M. Scheibel - "Del Reo and Dorothy" Vaudeville

Contribution — 2013-02-23 20:44:38Z

Scheibel (Galanis) Dorothy M. Scheibel, age 101, died February 19, 2013 at her home, The Forum at Knightsbridge, Columbus, Ohio.
Dorothy was a professional dancer for fifteen years, performing on the Keith, Fox and Loews Vaudeville Circuits as the dance team known as Del Reo and Dorothy.

She appeared in Columbus, Ohio at Loews Broad Theater in the act called 'Radio Fancies'.
She also danced in Nite Clubs and Supper Clubs all over The United States, Canada and Mexico.
After retiring from show business she resided on Woodbridge Road in Upper Arlington, Ohio for 32 years.
She has been resident of the Forum since 1990.
She is a member of Triangle Chapter #592 and Past Matron of Columbus Chapter OES.
She was Deputy Grand Matron of District 17 OES in 1965, and Drill Director of the 1969 Grand Chapter of Ohio Session. She is a member of Thea Court LOS.

Preceded in death by parents Ira and Helen Deckard, brother George W. Deckard, first husband and dancing partner Pete Galanis, second husband Martin Scheibel.
She is survived by many special friends.

Funeral Services will begin at 1 p.m. Monday, February 25, 2013 at SCHOEDINGER NORTHWEST CHAPEL, 1740 Zollinger Road, with an Order Eastern Star Service, to be followed by Pastor Lynda Chamber's Message.
Family will receive friends from 12Noon Monday, to the time of services.

Interment Glen Rest Memorial Estates, Reynoldsburg, Ohio.

Memorial contributions may be made to Triangle Chapter 592, Secretary Shirley Hall. 1629 E. Cooke Road, Columbus, Ohio 43224-2110, in her memory.

Please visit www.schoedinger.com to share a special memory you have of Dorothy.

Published in The Columbus Dispatch on February 23, 2013.

Karl Sylvester Sundstrom's background

evameyer1 — 2013-02-18 12:30:01Z

To whom it may concern,

Concerning Karl Sylvester Sundstrom's bakground (11 Aug. 1924 - 19 April 2004) we would wish to inform you that his father Karl Alexander Sundström (8 Jan. 1882 in Finland - 20 Febr. 1933 in New York) and his mother Eine Maria Viktoria, née Vuorinen (8 Jan. 1893 in Finland - May 1978 in New York) both immigrated to the US from Finland, Karl Alexander in 1905. There is still family in Finland who would very much wish to share family information with you. Please let us know if you are interested in sharing this family information with us, as we would be most excited to. Sincerely, Eva Meyer, Director, Åland Islands Emigrant Institute, Autonomous Åland Islands, Finland

Re: Hackney Empire - Murfet & Pike

sueholloway1953 — 2013-01-12 21:10:28Z

Many thanks, will give them a try.

Re: Hackney Empire - Murfet & Pike

annaandchester1 — 2013-01-12 17:45:15Z

Have you tried The Stage newspaper archives? I found loads of info on my family there in adverts and reviews for shows

Re: Theatre, Portable theatres and stock companies

annaandchester1 — 2013-01-12 17:37:56Z

Rob - I have sent you a skydrive email with all my denville photos on it.
You are able to edit them so please feel free to tag Amos if he is in any of the pictures.
Anna

Re: Theatre, Portable theatres and stock companies

robash4051 — 2013-01-12 17:10:16Z

Amos Ashong was my grandfather,though i never met him ,he was a herbalist and lived with my grandmother Ruth in BridgendIf u want to know more please email me :robash405@hotmail.com.just put in a heading Amos Ashong

Re: Hackney Empire - Murfet & Pike

sueholloway1953 — 2013-01-09 15:17:23Z

Hi Sue,

Thanks for gettingback to me....Yes they are the same family.Do you know anything about their music hall days or have any photo's?
My email address is tottenhamsuck@gmail.com.
Do you have a Facebook acct at all?
Edith was my great aunt.
Robert Alfred & Emily Martha Murfet nee Martin had 10 children one being Eliza Beatrice my great grandmother.
Hope to hear from you shortly.

Regards, Sue.

Re: Hackney Empire - Murfet & Pike

sue_palmer2004 — 2013-01-09 14:04:16Z

Hello, my mother in law is Joan Edith Palmer, nee PEARCE her mother was Edith Ethel Murfet - later Pike then Pearce born 29/3/1880 died 7/7/1936. I have Edith's parents as Robert A Murfet & mother Emily, with 4 children Horace, Fredrick, Beatrice & Edith. Would this be the same family? Would be interested in any family information you have to share

Re: Circus, Portable Theatre & Music Hall

lilylena87 — 2012-12-28 20:39:07Z

Lily Lena is my grandmother and I'm searching for any relatives in the U.K.are you related at all

Re: Circus, Portable Theatre & Music Hall

robinhaycock — 2012-12-28 16:46:02Z

You kindly sent me a message offering information about Lily lena. Would you please forward it to me via ancestry messaging?
Many thanks,
Joanna Haycock.

ANNE EVANS, ACTRESS & DANCER

theoaky — 2012-11-20 20:42:12Z

I have been given the following information which is a little sketchy but maybe somebody will know about Anne Evans who was born in the UK about 1792.

Anne b. 1792. Noted beautiful actress and dancer of London, m. 1st Mr. Sims; m. 2nd Mr. Dale of Herefordshire and they went to America and lived at Manlius, New York and later at Wampsville and Fayetteville, where Mr. Dale died; m. 3rd Mr. Penfield a widower who had a son George. Had no children of her own, but was kindly toward her relatives, entertaining them on trips to America and remembering many in her will. Baptist. Was advanced and modern in her ideas;

Phylis mawer

lorroberts — 2012-10-27 16:45:15Z

Phylis mawer was my grandmother. She was a dancer and tiller girl in the 20's

Born march 1905 from broughton, lancs. brother Richard. Mum and dad Richard Baxter and Elizabeth hannah

Re: Chabot-Green Dench families

ellalaine — 2012-08-09 10:59:33Z

Hi Helen,

Thanks very much for your message. I have not tried The Stage yet :) Hoping to give it some time in the next few weeks,

Ellalaine

Re: Chabot-Green Dench families

pdq190 — 2012-08-09 08:03:00Z

Hi Ellalaine,

Got your message. I have not come across your Grandad or Grandmother. However I have researched through "The Stage" publication and got lots of information on the Dench/Artaud/Whitfield actors. I think it goes back as far as the 1880s to the present day. However note that it is not free you have to subscribe to it. Good luck with your hunting and if I come across anything on your family I will come back to you.

Helen

Re: Chabot-Green Dench families

ellalaine — 2012-08-01 15:43:29Z

Hi there,

I have just stumbled upon this thread whilst searching for information on my Grandad (Charles Ross, actor early 1900/1920s) and Grandmother (Delia/Della/Nina Lockwood/Aldous, actress same era.) They worked with The Carlton Fredericks on pantos mostly around the West Country. I was researching using The British Newspaper Library website and saw that my Grandad played "Ali Baba" to Cissie's "Corgia" at the Exeter Theatre Royal in Feb 1919 production of The 40 Thieves.There is a large amount to information on Cissie and Sidney's performances during that time on the Newspaper website if you have not already found it. I know very little else, especially about my own grandparents who seem very hard to track down. I have no photos of any performances. Any info you may have about them or any other performances from Carlton Fredericks would be greatly recieved. best wishes,

Ellalaine

Re: VAUDEVILLE---MUSEUM OR INFO?

MaryJeanneMonhardt — 2012-07-30 10:27:26Z

Hello,

I am sooo sorry, I was so excited I typed the wrong brother.

William Horrell Bray 1869 UP Michigan USA-1958 Milwaukee, Wisconsinwas married to Carrie Cooper may 11, 1918, Chicago Cook County Illinois. You can find her living with John and Anna Maria Horrell-Bray along with their daughter Estelle and Will's brother Albert Bray in Chicago, Illinos 1900 census.

Will Bray, then married Mary Elizabeth Schrader and they did not have any children. She raised Estelle and I did meet Estelle years ago at her 45th wedding anniversary and did know her daughter Adell and talked to Adell and that's how I received the photos. Adell, sadly has passed away. She would have been over the mood to hear any information.

Re: VAUDEVILLE---MUSEUM OR INFO?

pharmluver — 2012-07-28 06:02:54Z

is it albert bray, or william bray? or william albert bray ... etc?

Re: VAUDEVILLE---MUSEUM OR INFO?

pharmluver — 2012-07-28 05:56:46Z

that would be wonderful. carrie is my wife's grandmother. we are JUST NOW finding out about that side of her family (she learned she had a brother and met him at 54 years old.
i am unsure how to share photos.
any info you have on their children would be grealy appreciated also - as these would be my wife's cousins.

thanx

Re: VAUDEVILLE---MUSEUM OR INFO?

MaryJeanneMonhardt — 2012-07-25 17:16:35Z

Hello,

Thanks so very much. I have photos of Carrie and her first husband, Will Bray if you are interested. They are taken at a Theatre, I presume it would be Vaulville.

Re: VAUDEVILLE---MUSEUM OR INFO?

pharmluver — 2012-07-25 11:47:59Z

carrie (known as "Dainty" carrie cooper went on to marry al k. hall, the baggy-pants vaudeville hit.
together they had three children, al jr, roy edwin, and eileen

Re: Irene Fullmer m. Keoki Spencer Pinebird - Wild West Show

gsxr4lfe — 2012-07-14 04:56:07Z

Hello, My name is Joanna Pinebird-Sanders, George Pinebird Jr is my uncle and passed away in 2010. My mother Debra Pinebird is George Spencer Pinebird daughter, We would like to obtain any infomation of the Wild West shows and locate any family regarding above info. My e-mail is gsxr4lfe@yahoo.com. Thanks

Re: BROUGH

kellyann_perkins1 — 2012-07-11 17:27:04Z

Jean Webster Brough Was Not Margaret And Lionel's Only Granchild ....Although Mary There Daughter Was Unmarried, There Was Still Sidney,Percy, Daisy(MARGARET)Who Had Children In Particular Sidney...Who By My Knowledge Had a Daughter Named Hannah unless it was percy, Because Hannah's Last Name Was Brough And She...From What My Grandfather Has Told Me ...Spoke Of A Man (lionel) Who Performed infront of Queen Victoria at the Lyceum Theater,...So I Checked It On Wikipedia And It Was Him And Lionel Even Resemble's My Grandfather And Sidney Resemble's My Great Uncle...Iv'e Searched Most Of The Internet Searching For Clues And Extra Information About Lionel And His Family But Hav'nt Got Much Although I Will keep searching....
Sincerly.....
Kelly-Ann, Wales, United Kingdom

ESTELLE FRATUS - DENNIS - Has now been found ....tks

laurinmesser1 — 2012-06-28 00:56:30Z

Looking for any info pertaining to the death of a g/aunt from Australia - Estelle Fratus vaudeville performer in the USA during the 1920-35

She travelled to USA marring Carl Denny Dennis enroute 1927 in Hawaii. She performed on vaudeville as dancer/comedian with Earl Carrolls Vanities during the 1920-30s. Moving onto performing with Henry Santrey & Soliders of Fortune 1930-35. I have located numerous newspaper articles of her performances under her maiden name - which indicates she was doing well, even a plug from Walter Winchell, calling her "The Star from Down Under".

Unfortunately at the peak of her career she died 7th march 1940. I have been able to find two memoriums from her husband in the Variety Magazines indicating her date of deatch but unable to discover exactly what state she died in and is now buried. Not sure if she was buried under FRATUS or DENNIS. Have been searching high and low.

Would appreciated any help or advice.
Regards
Laurin

Re: Tyrol Fichtner Dancing Group

JoachimKurz2006 — 2012-06-25 11:40:47Z

Here is a bad picture of the "fichtner Tanzgruppe" in Las Vegas

http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/fichtnertanzgryghjitl...

Tyrol Fichtner Dancing Group

JoachimKurz2006 — 2012-06-24 21:26:18Z

Who knows more about the Tiroler Fichtner Tanzgruppe ? They had their appearances in Las Vegas between 1950-1960.
Were they original Tyrol from Austria or were they Americans with Austrian ancestry ?

I look forward to your answers.

Re: Chop Chop and Charlene

spaceco — 2012-06-20 23:35:06Z

In 1954 I managed Dell O'Dell's Magic Shop in Hollywood. Chop used Hollywood as their home base, when in town he came into the shop almost daily and we cut up jackpots.I was the first one to see the Chop Cup.We became very good friends. Chop was also a very good artist he drew a certificate "Wandering Magicians of America", Mine was the first off the press, see attachment.

Harry Bernard
Santa Maria Ca
spaceco@utech.net

Re: ESTELLE FRATUS - DENNIS

simkat1 — 2012-06-19 14:33:13Z

I found Estelle Fratus Dennis obit in "The Detroit Free Press", Sunday, March 10, 1940, part one, page 9, column 5. She had lived in Detroit for 2 years and lived at 60 Winder St. She had a night club act with her husband, Carl L Dennis. Her mother, Anzina Fratus and brother, Arthur Fratus also survived her. Both living in Sydney, Australia. Funeral home was A J McInnes, 15941 Woodard. Services at St. Patrick's Church. Burial in Mt. Olivet Cemetery. The cemetery has a search engine and Estelle is listed. Gravestone can be seen at www.findagrave.com

Carl was listed in 1941 Detroit City Directory as living at 56 Winder and occupation was actor. No listings for 1938 or 1939.

I found several newspaper articles on Estelle Fratus at www.fultonhistory.com which has many NY historical newspapers and it is free.
Contact me and I will email you a copy of Estelle's obituary. I had looked it up for another person requesting her obituary.

Regards, Kay

Re: ESTELLE FRATUS - DENNIS

kh440 — 2012-06-04 03:36:04Z

Hi Laurin,

A suggestion I would have is to contact the NY Public Library. They have a large collection on the theatre and the arts, including vaudeville, et al. Perhaps they have a file on her - some newspaper clipping that did indicate a burial location or information that was forwarded to them.

NY Public Library -
http://www.nypl.org/locations/lpa/billy-rose-theatre-divisio...

Perhaps one or both of them were in a union. That might be another avenue to explore.

Good luck to you!
Kathleen

Re: Jewish german/austrian traveling actor/comedian

jjlyn — 2012-05-24 03:49:09Z

Moritz's mother died when he was very young. He was raised by his Grandmother.(Moritz's mother remarried, name unknown, and there were three girls of this marriage-Lottie, Elsie, and Bertha. Elsie married a Mr. Ziffer. Their son, Otto Ziffer, came to the USA at age 19 in the
early 1900's. It is believed Otto had a sister and a brother. Otto did not stay long in the Peoria area and moved to Santa Monica, California. Nothing has been heard from him since early 1930's.)
Moritz was an actor by trade and appeared in all the leading theaters of Germany and Austria-Silesia, the area in which he was born. His popularity never waned but, in 1872, he left the "old country", at the age of 25, to go on stage in New York.
It is believed he traveled on the Hamburg line to the United States (as per a letter on file by his wife, Lena, to her nephew, Joseph Johingk, in Dec. 1913.)
He won attention for his work in the Germania Theater with director Neuendorff in New York. He was the leading actor there for fourteen years. He was very talented as a charcter actor and as a singing comedian. The building was
destroyed a long time before his death. (The above was taken from his death notice in the Peoria Paper.)
It is believed that he met Lena Schafer at the German Society in New York. They were married in
Kings County, and the certificate was filed in New York County on Sep 26, 1889. He was 40 years old and she was 23 years old. They traveled together with an acting troupe doing one night stands and sometimes staying longer. At times he and Lena would travel ahead of the troupe, and prepare small children to play the parts of the Seven
Dwarfs so when the troupe arrived the children were ready to go on stage.
Moritz and Lena settled in Pekin in 1892. He entered the beer bottling business for the P. Schoenhofen Brewing Co. by cleaning,bottling and delivering the bottled beer to homes on a routine schedule. While in Pekin, IL, he was a member of the Empire Lodge of the Masons and transferred to the Schiller Lodge of Peoria in August 1896.
According to the Peoria City Directory, Moritz came to Peoria in 1895 and resided at 1519 S. Adams St. There are other residences until 1904 when the first listing for "M. Wolkenstein & Co. Junk" business at 1122 S Adams St. appeared. His residence at this time was 110 Howett St.

Items found
Birth year according to these items
1845 Passenger log
May 1, 1846 Death Cert born Belitz, Austria
1847 Grave Stone
1847 in Bielitz, Austria-Silesia per obit
1848 Passport and 1920 Census
1849 -1900 Census
1851 -1910 Census

1832-1842-1852
Jewish buried in Jewish cemetery

1910 census says parents Austria born immigrated 1872 also per obit
1920 census says parents Austria born immigrated 1868, naturalized 1870

He immigrated on ship not known from “otterdam on 1869 wife application
From Hamburg per letter to Lena’s nephew, her Bermen

1870 directory Machinist, 129 mill b 4 pitt, Rochester, Washington ??? not sure him

5-2-1873 Naturalization record (no other info) Comedian From Austria
His address listed as 3rd & 1 Ave, NY city
Max Lauber, 8 Marion St, NY city, hotel keeper is witness

Passport application
New York, New York
May 2, 1873
Moritz Wolkenstein was born Austria April 19, 1848

Passanger log
Arrival Date September 3, 1873
Port of Departure Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France
Ship name Fresia
Moritz Wolkenstein, 28 years old, Male, Occupation Actor, Austria 1-1?, Country in which they intend to become inhabitants United States, Cabin Passenger. Traveled here with other actors.

1878 in NY per directory comedian/actor h 206 Sixth
Sep 26, 1889 Married NY Certificate on file (no info on parents on this)

Passport Application of Lena Wolkenstein
Peoria, Illinois
March 20, 1922
Lena Wolkenstein was born Langenbrucken Germany on February 15, 1886.
Married to Moritz Wolkenstein born in Austria
He immigrated on ship not known from “otterdam on 1869, he resided 53 uninterruptedly in the US from 1869-1922 at New York and Peoria IL
He was Naturalized New York, New York; May 2, 1975
Lena resided uninterruptedly in the US from 1886-1922 at New York and Peoria IL
Residence is in Peoria, IL and is a house Wife.

1892 in Peoria,IL per obit
1897 directory Peoria,IL

Nephew Otto John Ziffer naturalized Sept 14, 1910
(no info on parents on this or death cert)
He was born June 7, 1881 Brunu?? Austria came here in 1903 on the Kassel
Declared to become citizen July 19, 1904in New Jersey
Moved to Peoria and M. Wolkenstein was his witness became citizen on sept 19, 1910
Death certificate says born Austria died September 18, 1962in California and was married to a Kathleen Ziffer (1920 census says parents from Austria and he from Czexksolvian)

Died 1922

Jewish german/austrian traveling actor/comedian

jjlyn — 2012-05-24 03:45:58Z

I am looking for info on my Great Grandfather Mortiz Wolkenstein before he came to the U.S. Any thoughts or ideas on where to go is appreciated.
Below is all I have on him.

Re: Milton Bode 1836-1938 UK

jooles4eva — 2012-05-20 11:33:08Z

Hello Lesley
Just wondered how your research is going xox

Re: British music hall 1850 - 1900

williamevans63 — 2012-03-31 18:06:57Z

Hi, sorry but I have no info on Mattie price, I wouls suggest that you check out the British Museum's "Evanion Collection" which is a collection of music hall posters, and also the Arthur Lloyd music hall site.

Sorry I am not able to be more help. Good luck
Bill

Re: British music hall 1850 - 1900

lwjars — 2012-03-31 17:37:07Z

My husband's great grandmother, Mattie Lee Price played at the South London Palace in Feb of 1892. Would you by chance have any record of her?

Alma Dean or Alma Dean Carey

tmdesoto — 2012-02-07 02:00:13Z

Anyone here ever heard of a singer named Alma Dean or Alma Dean Carey?
Believe that she worked in the US and/or the UK during the 50's.

Travelling picture shows in Ireland

diane19652 — 2012-01-06 10:14:02Z

My husband's grandfather apparently had a travelling picture show in Ireland in the early 1900's but I cannot find any information about him, or his picture show. His name was James Murphy and he and his wife May/Mary were in Cashel in 1912 which is where their son William John was born. They migrated to Australia in 1925 so i think they ran the business until around that time. Any information about this would be most appreciated

Re: Theatre, Portable theatres and stock companies

gregandrosalie — 2011-12-01 06:23:17Z

i would love to see anything you have. Thanks so much for your response.
Cheers from Rosalie.

Re: Theatre, Portable theatres and stock companies

robinsonrita0 — 2011-12-01 04:56:59Z

Hi Anna and Chester
I would love a copy, thank you.
Kind regards
Rita Robinson, (South Africa)

Re: Theatre, Portable theatres and stock companies

annaandchester1 — 2011-11-30 14:09:56Z

It has been a while since I have been on here but I have loads of production photos in my grandmothers collection - would anyone like a copy sent by email to see if they can spot any relatives?

Re: Weldonians

bobpatenaude1 — 2011-11-26 14:55:48Z

I and my sister, Karen, were both members of the Weldonians. I joined in 1967 and stayed until 1972 or 73, can't remember at the moment what year I left.

I played trumpet in both the parade and show band, and I still play trumpet and like to play flugelhorn most of the time any more, with which I often accompany church choirs and congregational singing in church. When traveling I carry a pocket trumpet most of the time, just in case there's the opportunity to join in at a camp meeting or revival meeting.

We met at the Southland Mall in Hayward on Monday evenings, Chabot Junior College on Saturday afternoons, where we practiced marching in the parking lots, had seat challenges in the music department rooms, and so forth. We met up on High Street in Oakland on Thursday evenings for show band practice.

I would like to have a copy of the Weldonian Handbook from that period, and am particularly interested in having copies of the speeches in the back that we all had to memorize and recite on Monday evenings when working to make rank.

I did a lot of the certificate caligraphy for promotions and other purposes.

I can say that I did acquire much of the discipline of my life from the training I received in the Weldonians; I would not trade the experience gained there for anything.

I was in the Air Force when Mr. Leonardson passed away and was deeply grieved at his passing. I thought of him as a great man.

Robert E. Patenaude
Campbellsburg, Indiana
Baptist Missionary

Re: LILLIAN EMERSON

MACSCOTCH — 2011-11-01 20:36:55Z

Only saw your message just now, (11/01/11. I have information
on Lillian Emerson. (My second cousin.) Get in touch with
me at MACSCOTCH@AOL.COM.
Regards,
Neil Emerson MacMillan, Jr.

Re: Circus, Portable Theatre & Music Hall

lilylena87 — 2011-10-27 11:46:53Z

Alex ("Simonthompson" name)
Can you contact me re Lily Lena info I have for you.
Regards
Terry Matthews

Song and Dance

angiepeskett — 2011-10-17 12:17:45Z

My paternal grandmother Hilda Peskett nee Reid was a singer and dancer on the stage c 1925 -1940's. i think she was in a duo called 'The Two Dorians' but have never come across her yet. Her husband Frank Peskett played with 'The Savoy Ortheans' but sadly died aged 25 of TB leaving her with 2 infants ages 2&4. she worked with Elsie and Doris Walters who were good to her when Frank died. Any Info gratefully received.

Re: Circus, Portable Theatre & Music Hall

anniberman — 2011-09-12 21:47:11Z

Hi Martine,

I've narrowed it down to a three year window. John Baptist is on the 1881 census in Marylebone, London, with his first wife Anna, and their daughter (also Anna). His wife died in 1884 - her death is registered in the June quarter. By 1887, John Baptist and his second wife Iliza Caroline Gay were in Australia, because they married in Victoria in 1887. I wonder if they went out together? They were cousins, because John Baptist's mother, Carlotta Collins and Iliza/Eliza's mother Iliza/Eliza Collins were sisters, so they certainly knew each other.

Best wishes,
Anni

Mabel Maud Coleman (Beaufort)/Louis Beaufort

alasdair_13 — 2011-09-12 09:56:36Z

Mabel Maud Coleman was born in Dundee in 1880. She was my GG Aunt. She apears on the 1891 Scottish Census but cannot be found on the 1901 Scottish or England census.

She next crops up as the informant of her fathers death in 1907 (in Dundee). Her name by then is Mabel Beaufort and she is noted as living in Kent.

In 1911 England Census she is living in Manchester as the wife of a Louis Beaufort (age 50), a musician, she is down as an actress. I can find no evidence of a marriage between them.

Louis, has an interesting past. Seems he is from NSW in Australia, but cannot find any records of his brith or family there. What is certain is he plied his trade as a musician on ships between UK and Australia around 1895-7. However, he was in UK around 1891 as he was prosecuted after running away with a hotel keepers wife and charged with theft (acquitted tho!). He marries a Fammy Elizabeth Steophens in 1895 and has a son - Louis Ormez (Ormez is the name of the ship he worked on). They turn up in the 1901 Scottish census lioving in Paisley where he seems to have been the manager of the Empire Music Hall there.

Louis died in Sept 1923 in Manchester and is buried in a public grave in the Southern Cemetery.

Of Mabel, I cannot find anything on her after the 1911 census.

Both of them crop up in searches of The Stage Archive but I don't have menbership to see the full articles.

Any UK theatre experts out there who might have a steer on where to turn to for any possible information?

Many thanks.

Chop Chop and Charlene

conniesmail1 — 2011-09-11 14:42:15Z

I am the first cousin of Charlene of Chop Chop and Charlene.
I would be interested and trading information with you. I have photos of Chop Chop and Charlene and a short video of them on the Ed Sullivan Show.

Re: Chop Chop and Charlene

eGENEee — 2011-09-11 00:34:31Z

You should probably post her real name and her husband's name....