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Re: Vargas, Varga

Posted: 20 Dec 2013 6:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Dec 2013 9:31PM GMT
Surnames: Varga, Varga


Hello, Mr. Robert. You are doing quite a research about surnames.
I have noticed You are a very active member on this website.
Nice work.


This thread was dedicated to other surname at the begining.


If You wish to explore more about Vargas or Varga name, please open another thtead. Thank You.


Replying Your letter:

You have presented Ashkenazi Jewish names.

There are differences between Sephardic (Spanish/Middle Eastern) and Ashkenazic (German/Eastern European) Jews. Historically, Sephardic Jews have been more integrated into the local non-Jewish culture than Ashkenazic

Vargas – common Sephardic/Jewish name, (town Vargas, Spain).
Noble family with it's own coat of arms.
In immigration usually was written Varga.

Regarding Jews in Hungary::

From archive newspaper in year 1944: “The Fueggetlenseg, official organ of the Hungarian government, states that the authorities have started taking over Jewish leather firms valued at fifty million pengos, about ten million dollars. “ http://www.jta.org/1944/09/10/archive/hungary-renews-large-s...

Commonly used term for shoemaker in Hungary is cipész.
Varga is an ancient term, not used in contemporary Hungarian and means " leatherworker" or leather repairman; someone who works with leather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varga
As such, varga also was in use to refer to saddle makers.

Varga is also a village in Baranya county, Hungary. Known for the leather factory that was owned by the family of the same name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varga,_Hungary
Even today some Vargas families own leather manufacturing industry.(Brazil, Mexico, USA).

("Benjamin Varga (1805-1889) also was in saddle trade. Heaving been saddlemaker in Hungary, he and his four sons (John, Alexander, Joseph and Paul) made family business flourished, and in 1954 the San Antonio Chamber of Commerce saluted the Ben Varga Saddlery as one of the few century-old businesses in the city." http://www.staff.u-szeged.hu/~gnovak/vn.htm )

Historry:

Already in 1251, King Bela IV gave Jews legal rights and welcomed Jewish immigration.

First big wave of Jews in Hungary were Sephardic Jews after expulsion from Spain in 1492.” Sephardim were an important portion if not a majority of the Jews in Hungary and Transylvania under Turkish rule, dealing in local and international trade and paying taxes in return for their rights; their religious and scholarly life flourished. But at the end of Turkish domination in 1686 and 1690, respectively, most preferred to return to the Ottoman Empire. The remaining few were gradually assimilated among waves of Ashkenazic immigration from Bohemia, Austria, and Galicia.” http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Sephardim

German sounding names that You have posted are Ashkenazi, that came with second large wave of immigration.

It could be, that in medieval time Sephardi Vargas were trading with leather and the name stuck with leather. Sephards had big families, so name could spread fast. At the time that Ashkenazi Jews arrived, Sephardic Jews already adopted Hungarian language and gradually assimilated.
Maybe Hungarian linguist/historian could help with etymological/historical roots
of word varga in Hungary, since term is ancient and not in common use.
Tracking surname in local Hungarian files some centuries back, also would show some transparency.
Varga family tree researchers from Hungary.

Surname Varga is today very common in Hungary.

If family name Varga is Sephardim by origin, coming from Iberian Vargas, DNA test should show Y chromosome.

If name was adopted as an occupational, local Hungarian surname, testing should display results.

Answer is in genetics.

Just to add: The Y chromosome is passed down exclusively from father to son.
However, women interested in this type of genetic testing are invited to recruit a male relative to have the test done.

“Males can test their Y-DNA to determine the origin of their paternal line, including the possibility of Jewish and Cohanim ancestry. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, with no influence from any females along that line. Females do not receive the Y-DNA, and therefore females cannot be tested for the paternal line. If you are a female and would like to know about your paternal line, you would need to have a brother or a male relative from that line to be tested.” SOURCE: http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/jewish-ancestry.aspx


There is a link to Jewish WWII victims in Hungary with name Varga (more than 100 enlisted): http://db.yadvashem.org/names/nameResults.html?language=en&a...
Total number of Shoah victims when You type in Varga, is 363. So name obviously was chased as Jewish. Also spanish and biblical first names indicate jewish ancestry.
At Jasenovac (concentration camp,Croatia) , 75 Varga victims:
https://vh1.nethosting.com/~lituchy/victim_search.php?field=...


For more information contact European Assotiation for Jewish Studies., prof. dr. Peter Varga (University of Budapest).
http://eurojewishstudies.org/scholar_shortdisplay.php?idscho...


Eastern European Jews began to immigrate to the United States in large numbers after 1880.
Between 1880 snd 1924, over 2 million Jews from Russia, Austria-Hungary, and Romania came to America.



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