So the Thayer story was the original? Wow, no wonder I was having trouble with it. Thanks for the info. It's a bummer though in the other instance as I thought there would be more detail.
P.S. sorry I got the book wrong on the quote, I've read so much about this from different places it's hard sometimes to remember exactly where I saw what.
Thanks again for the excellent info. How'd you figure out it was Gorges instead of Georges. Don't you just love all these old books that have these references and they name the reference wrong or the reference has changed it's name, etc.