Fuzy/Fuzi Family
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Re: Fuzy/Fuzi Family
 kozlay
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 1:29AM GMT |
Classification: Query
Dear Krunoslav,
There are some problems with the information you provided.
First of all, it appears there was more than one Füzy family, and there is not enough information to firmly identify which one it was. I do not, however, think it is the same family that has been discussed extensively in this thread.
You state that your grandfather was born in 1880 and your great-great-grandfather was born about 300 years earlier. Obviously that makes no sense. That tree seems to be missing a whole lot of generations.
The information tends to suggest that your Füzy family may have been the ones in Sopron megye. According to Nagy Iván, Ferdinand II ennobled Janos Füzy in 1622. Siebmacher acknowledges this ennoblement, but then says another Johann Füzy was ennobled by Ferdinand III in 1652, in "Agárd, Oedenburger Comitat," i.e., Sopron megye. Nagy Iván does not show this second Janos (Johann/Johannes) in his genealogical table. However, the coats of arms are very similar, featuring a lion and a leopard.
Is it possible that the document you refer to, as does Siebmacher, is only a confirmation of the original 1622 ennoblement?
Unfortunately, Nagy Iván is in Hungarian and Siebmacher is in German, neither of which I can read. Perhaps if I send you these entries privately you can have them translated, and it will become clearer.
Researching a family name to establish a connection with an ennoblement is very difficult and painstaking. As with any genealogy, you must work backwards from what you know. You cannot make a leap forward from an ennoblement to your family without firmly verifying the links. It certainly is possible that the history given by your grandfather is absolutely, or nearly, correct. It is improbable that you can prove that Bela IV gave land to your ancestor, but he was known for granting huge tracts of land and it is certainly possible. This would have been in the 1200s, before the Turkish conquest.
Janet
There are some problems with the information you provided.
First of all, it appears there was more than one Füzy family, and there is not enough information to firmly identify which one it was. I do not, however, think it is the same family that has been discussed extensively in this thread.
You state that your grandfather was born in 1880 and your great-great-grandfather was born about 300 years earlier. Obviously that makes no sense. That tree seems to be missing a whole lot of generations.
The information tends to suggest that your Füzy family may have been the ones in Sopron megye. According to Nagy Iván, Ferdinand II ennobled Janos Füzy in 1622. Siebmacher acknowledges this ennoblement, but then says another Johann Füzy was ennobled by Ferdinand III in 1652, in "Agárd, Oedenburger Comitat," i.e., Sopron megye. Nagy Iván does not show this second Janos (Johann/Johannes) in his genealogical table. However, the coats of arms are very similar, featuring a lion and a leopard.
Is it possible that the document you refer to, as does Siebmacher, is only a confirmation of the original 1622 ennoblement?
Unfortunately, Nagy Iván is in Hungarian and Siebmacher is in German, neither of which I can read. Perhaps if I send you these entries privately you can have them translated, and it will become clearer.
Researching a family name to establish a connection with an ennoblement is very difficult and painstaking. As with any genealogy, you must work backwards from what you know. You cannot make a leap forward from an ennoblement to your family without firmly verifying the links. It certainly is possible that the history given by your grandfather is absolutely, or nearly, correct. It is improbable that you can prove that Bela IV gave land to your ancestor, but he was known for granting huge tracts of land and it is certainly possible. This would have been in the 1200s, before the Turkish conquest.
Janet