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Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-03-21 18:54:16Z

I've had a hell of a winter and am just getting back on the case.

Is your researcher friend perhaps back from Florida yet?

I'm very interested in picking up the trail from where we left off.

I did make a call to the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice, but they were unable to come up with any hits.

Re: Fuzy/Fuzi Family

losangeles49 — 2013-02-10 10:31:48Z

Hi, a new Fuzessery-Tovisi family tree has been found on
www.moneysaverauction.com/fuzesseryfamilytree.shtml

The tree goes back to 9th century Hungary.

hope this is helpful.
cheers

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2013-01-14 18:25:45Z

Zak,

My friend in Minneapolis is now in Florida for the winter. She won't return until Mar/Apr.

Here is a link to researchers in Minneapolis who can get the information quicker, but they charge fees. They should be able to get Eugene's documentation quickly since the Minnesota Historical Society indicated that they have that information on the premises.

"More specifically, we have a variety of records from the State Board of Medical Examiners/Board of Medical Practitioners. These records go back as far as the late 1800s and include Registers of Medical Practitioners and License Application Records."
--Jenny McElroy
Reference Librarian

http://sites.mnhs.org/library/content/independent-researcher...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-09 15:35:54Z

Excellent, thank you very much!

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2013-01-05 08:03:10Z

Zak,

I received a reply from the Minnesota Historical Society. They have a variety of records from the State Board of Medical Examiners/Board of Medical Practitioners. These records go back as far as the late 1800s and include Registers of Medical Practitioners and License Application Records.

So, I'm contacting an independent researcher in Minneapolis now to search for Eugene's records.

I'll let you know when this is all set up.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-04 20:42:17Z

Excellent work!

How do we find his application?

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2013-01-04 19:57:49Z

We are just following every possible lead.

I have found out that the State of Minnesota has application records for all physicians seeking to practice in the state which includes the dates Eugene Von Wellsheim was there.

If we can find his application, we should be able to determine just where he received his degrees, his dates of study, and much more info.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-04 19:31:23Z

meanwhile some more of Vienna-area (Aspern).

PHILIPP RITTER/KNIGHT VON BLASCHKE
1880-1938
AKA Ritter Philipp Blaschke von Zwornikkirchen
http://earlyaviators.com/eblaschk.htm
The Arrow Flyer "Aspern" was developed specifically for the airship department of the Imperial kuk Army. Its maiden flight was on 3 Mai 1912 In the first Austrian flight week in Aspern (20 to 30 June 1912) won first lieutenant of Blaschke with him several world records:
http://pfarre.aspern.at/Chronik/Geschichte/lohner.php

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-04 18:57:13Z

By the way, I tracked down that Newspaper article mentioning Senator Talcott's and William Jennings Bryan's (not mentioned by name, but he was Secretary of State at the time of publication) intercession in helping free Eugene.

http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%2016/Syracuse%20NY%20Hera...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-04 16:31:56Z

must be about Eugene himself - 1787 think is not a year more a filenumber:
Streitigkeiten zwischen dem sogenannten "Amerikaner" Freiherr von Welsheim und seinem katholischen Vetter zu Wachbach

State Archives in Ludwigsburg - B 258 BÜ 112
name of the stock: German Order, Government Mergentheim: Odenwäldisches Office (Wachbach)
"Disputes between the so-called "American" Freiherr von Welsheim and his Catholic cousin of Wachbach"

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-04 16:29:45Z

interesting that you should landing now in Wachbach, Odenwald in state Baden-Württemberg, Germany! ;-)
pretty confusing....
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wachbach_%28Bad_Mergentheim%29
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&q=Wachbach&bav=on.2...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-04 16:14:42Z

I hope you're right about it being a file number rather than a year. Fingers crossed!

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-04 13:51:04Z

Very interesting!

But I'm troubled by the 1787 at the bottom of the entry. If that's a date, it's way too early to be the right person.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2013-01-04 13:39:30Z

Beatrix in Vienna found this, and is following up the lead:

Freiherr von Welsheim reference -

https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/struktur.php?besta...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-04 13:24:49Z

Perhaps I was too quick to dismiss the Plaschke/Blaschke connection. On a German genealogy site (http://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=wuenschelburg&...) I saw a Theresia Plaschke with the note "auch genannt (also called) Theresia Blaschke."

This is probably just a random, unrelated Plaschke, but it is worth noting that that particular family name does seem to have some degree of dynamism in spelling.

It's worth noting, as well, that on both Eugene's marriage license, and death certificate, his mother's last name is listed as Plaska. Whether this is some sort of Czech to German (remember he was born in Prague) change, or something else entirely is beyond my ken. Anybody know anything about late 19th century Czech territory Austro-Hungarian naming conventions? I must have slept through that class in college.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-03 18:41:16Z

just found this - also interesting that he has Eugen at firstnames - no idea:
Wilhelm Johann Eugen Blaschke
http://www.uni-leipzig.de/unigeschichte/professorenkatalog/l...
apprendre-math.info/english/historyDetail.htm?id=Blaschke
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Blaschke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Blaschke
Blaschke’s father, Josef Blaschke (1852–1917), was professor of descriptive geometry at the Landes-Oberrealschule at Graz.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-2830900480.html

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaschke
also a placename in Moravia, Czech Rep.
Vlaské, german Blaschke - a part of community Malá Morava:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlask%C3%A9_%28Mal%C3%A1_Morava...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-03 18:19:45Z

....as nobody knows the real name before arriving there can be some possibilitties, no matter if B or P or Plasche, Plaschke, Blaschke, Blasche....and when look how german or other names in USA were "interchangable" in the past, what happened to some names far away from home ;-)

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-03 18:17:04Z

Gotcha. Thanks.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-03 18:09:32Z

Why are we looking for Blaschkes? Are Bs and Ps interchangeable in German?

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2013-01-03 17:53:50Z

Zak,

Beatrice just sent me a copy of the Compania ship manifest showing E Von Wellsheim arriving in Liverpool, England on 23 April 1913. He must have been on his way to Vienna to attend the funeral of the relative who had died.

Please add this to your document collection

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-03 15:55:14Z

INTERESTING, when i google for Hollitscher in grave of this one Blasche-woman i come to this person:
Walter Hollitscher(born 16 May 1911 in Vienna, † July 6, 1986 in Vienna) was a philosopher, Marxist, Volksbildner, journalist and analyst. has connections to Prag also. Hollitscher did the state examination for psychology and psychoanalysis!!! ...mmmh - some similarities.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Hollitscher
http://www.sammlungen.hu-berlin.de/dokumente/10410/
maybe take a translator, there is no english version.

so if you ask for your Welsheim ask also for this woman and the Hollitscher, specially the Walter. perhaps a clue more. not poor people looks like. Helene Blasche, born 1910 was same age like Walter.

Vorname/firstname Helene Bertha Mathilde
Nachname/lastname Plasche
Lebensalter/age 83
Bestattungsdatum/burialdate 05.12.1973
Friedhof/cemetery Feuerhalle/firehall Simmering (shows evang.)
Abteilung/departement 7
Ring 3
Gruppe/group 2
Nummer/number 49
Grabnutzungsrecht bis/right for grave until auf Friedhofsdauer/as long as cenmetery exists
buried in same grave:
Hollitscher Friederike Amalia Theresia age 83
Hollitscher Hedwig born 02.01.1909 age 97
Hollitscher Heinz Wolfgang born 12.04.1909 age 91
Hollitscher Paul Leopold age 66
Hollitscher Violetta Maria age 73
Hollitscher Walter

the last Walter is not the same as above looks like as Wikipedia has his grave at Central Cemetery Vienna stated.

google has for Blasche and Hollitscher also some jewish background......
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/pic...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/pic...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/pic...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/pic...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/pic...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/pic...

connection Hollitscher to wellknown Sigmund Freud, Neurologist - this would be in direction to Blasche-Wellsheim´s work i think. mmh, very interesting that all: http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw216...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud#Early_followers

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-03 15:08:23Z

yes my guess also would be in the direction that the family did not like his marriage or so.
would make sense to this mystery.

gravesearch Vienna for Plaschke and Plasche, found no Welsheim - maybe you store this links if you would use some times later. no idea if you get info into such a direction and no idea if there was any family more in Vienna or the rest of them were in Bohemia.
Plaschke: http://www.friedhoefewien.at/grabsuche_de?submit=true&na...
Plasche: http://www.friedhoefewien.at/grabsuche_de?submit=true&na...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2013-01-03 14:40:46Z

"Lastly, Eugene never received his inheritance. Again, according to Maria's history, he failed in getting anything from his inheritance. It seems that World War I made that an impossibility."
maybe must have not been because of the war, can also have been because of family, if you understand what i mean - differences or so, who knows. both is possible......this maybe only can show the familyresearch, but how looks like not so easy.

have you ever asked at Wiener Stadt- und Landesarchiv/ Municipal and Provincial Archives Vienna? there are "Historical registration-records" for 1904-1975. if he lived that time-period there maybe they can find him in the files. so you get some info more with some luck. no idea if they can find with not so much info and only the not really correct known name he had there. but make attempt. i for myself found out many about my ancestors in Vienna. e-mail-adress to find at "Zuständige Stelle" in the link. you can ask in english, austrians learn it at school:

Historische Meldeunterlagen (1904-1975) - Auskunft
Historic registration records (1904-1975) - Report
http://www.wien.gv.at/amtshelfer/kultur/archiv/forschung/his...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-03 14:34:49Z

Agreed. It could be either or both.

An old family rumor has it that the family back in Austro-Hungary was furious with Eugene for marrying an American, or a commoner, or both. Apparently his relationship with his family never recovered.

On another note, the majority of the documentary evidence I've seen (newspapers, Ellis Island records, death certificate, his wife's written history) indicate that the name probably was spelled "Plaschke-Wellsheim." Or, at least, that's the name he used in America.

I think we may be able to put other spellings down to clerical error, etc.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

ZHoch — 2013-01-02 19:21:30Z

That's a pretty good rundown of what we know.

I'd like to tweak a few of those facts, though.

Eugene, alone, was placed in the internment camp in Lancaster (from Maria Augusta Lux vW's written history). Maria and the baby stayed nearby, and eventually stayed in London until he was released.

The Luxes must have had some pull, because both Senator Talcott and Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan (of Scopes "Monkey trial" fame) interceded on his behalf. This was mentioned in a newspaper article (can't remember which at the moment) about his release.

Lastly, Eugene never received his inheritance. Again, according to Maria's history, he failed in getting anything from his inheritance. It seems that World War I made that an impossibility.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2012-12-29 09:24:18Z

"Are you saying that being a Medical Doctor and being a Physician are two different professions at that time period?"
that ALWAYS two different studies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics
Physician study: http://physik.univie.ac.at/en/home/
found no Medicine Study in Vienna: http://www.univie.ac.at/organisation/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine

"Dr. von Wellsheim’s Alien Registration on 25 Feb 1918 indicates that he was a Physician engaged in the profession of Electro-therapy."
i wonder how a pysican can work as a "medicine".
think you have a physican confused with one who studied psychology. this thought also someone in a posting before - i remember.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology
Psychologie they have in Vienna: http://psychologie.univie.ac.at/en/home/
also think that he will have made his study more in Prag, or not, as was born there and then worked in Vienna.....

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2012-12-29 00:43:29Z

Are you saying that being a Medical Doctor and being a Physician are two different professions at that time period?

This is all we really know about Dr. Eugene's profession"

Dr. von Wellsheim’s Alien Registration on 25 Feb 1918 indicates that he was a Physician engaged in the profession of Electro-therapy.

NARA Investigation testimony by W.J. Neiler, Dr. von Wellsheim’s stock broker, indicates that Dr. von Wellsheim was a “very fine nerve specialist.”

NARA Investigation testimony by R.W. WEbb, Secretary of the Minneapolis Trust Company, indicates that Dr. von Wellsheim is a Bohemian, and not in favor of Germany or the German methods.
These indicate several important points, namely that Eugene was a Physician, which in America would mean a medical doctor, that he was Bohemian -- separate from being an Austrian or a German, and lastly, that he did not associated himself with the Austrian or the German government nor their actions at that time in history, ie. WWI.

Since Eugene was a Catholic and Utica newspaper accounts indicates he attended universities in Prague and Vienna, wouldn't he have most likely attended Czech Charles-Ferdinand University in Prague?

And, what other medical universities are there in Vienna, especially for Catholics in the 1890 - 1910 time period?

I am hopeful that I can obtain an answer as to what documents Eugene von Wellsheim submitted to the State Physicians Board in Minnesota to be allowed to practice medicine in Minneapolis in 1917-1918. That will tell us which universities he attended.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2012-12-28 19:10:23Z

the austrian/german name then must have been before americanizing think "Eugen (Josef?)von Welsheim". and it´s to clear up if was aphysican or a medicine. is not the same.

university of Vienna: http://www.univie.ac.at/
universities Prag:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karls-Universit%C3%A4t_Prag
http://www.cuni.cz/UKENG-1.html
The Karl-Ferdinand University, the German University in Prague, which was originally founded in 1348 by Charles IV in 1654 and expanded after Ferdinand III. renamed, has existed as a separate entity since the split of 1882 next to the Czech Charles University until 1945.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Ferdinands-Universit%C3%A4...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2012-12-28 15:22:09Z

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2012-12-28 15:19:26Z

No, according to Zak Hoch, the family doesn't really know what the proper spelling is.

This is one of the difficulties we are having. The belief is that the Wellsheim (Welsheim) name has been anglicized, and we don't have any authoritative record of the actual name of the Baron.

Nor are there any records in Austria/Germany that indicates a Baron von Wellsheim, nor a correlation between any of the various surname uses:

Welsheim, Wellsheim, Plaska, Plasche, Plaschke, etc.

So, we need to find actual documents for Eugene, such as his university records submitted to gain his physician's license in Chicago and Minneapolis. All other records we have found have led us to dead ends.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

danenmary — 2012-12-28 15:05:45Z

Thank you for the summary. I've noticed in the documents & their signatures the "Plaschke" spelling with the 'k'. Is this the spelling the family prefers now?

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2012-12-28 13:23:48Z

Here is a basic summary of what I, and the family, know of the (Baron) Dr. Eugene von Wellsheim.

(Baron) Dr. Eugene Joseph Hans Franz Julius von Plaschke Wellsheim

• Born Dec. 14th 1877 Prague, Bohemia to John von Wellsheim and Maria von Plaska (from Dr. Eugene’s Marriage License Application and Death Certificate).

• Doctor of Medicine & Philosophy - degrees from unversities in Vienna and Prague, but we don’t know which universities. His wife, Maria, wrote that both Eugene’s father and grandfather were Doctors of Medicine, and that the Baronage was awarded to Dr. Eugene’s father.

• Following a breakup with his Austrian family, Dr. Eugene left Vienna and travelled incognito to the US in late summer 1912, planning to set up physician’s office in Chicago. While waiting for legal time-limit for him to practice medicine in the USA, Dr. Eugene ran short of funds and made his way to Utica, NY German colony. Found employment with Lux family; met and became engaged to Maria Augusta Lux in spring of 1913. (Utica Newspaper article)

• Feb/Mar 1913 - Dr. Eugene is notified of a family death and he returned to Vienna/Prague and received a substantial inheritance.

• Dr. Eugene returned to Utica, NY from England on June 27, 1913, and married Maria Augusta Lux on 8 July 1913. (Marriage License Application & Utica Newspaper article)

• Dr. and Mrs. Eugene von Wellsheim travel through Europe, and are interred in a British War Camp Lexington in 1914. Family was staying at prestigous Claridges Hotel in London. Lux family engages US government officials to obtain the release of Dr. Eugene and his family from Lexington internment camp, and they return to the USA (Nov 22, 1914) with newborn Eugene Joseph von Wellsheim Jr.

• Dr. Eugene and his family move to Chicago, then on to Minneapolis, Minnesota where has a thriving physician’s practice. Two more children are born there (Hennepin County Birth Records), and Dr. Eugene is listed as a physician in Minneapolis City Directory in 1918.

• In 1917, Dr. Eugene is investigated by US authorities in Minneapolis based upon suspicion that he is an German spy. Report indicates Dr. Eugene has substantial business properties in Prague.

• Dr. Eugene and family return to Utica, NY, then on to New York City where the the Doctor is treated for prostate disease.

• Dr. Eugene von Wellsheim dies Dec. 20th, 1922 New York City, USA.(Death Certificate)

Dr. Eugene von Wellsheim is buried in St. Agnes Cemetery, Utica, NY. (Find a Grave Listing)

1922 - Maria and her children go to live with her parents in Utica, NY. (1930 US Census)

Dr. Eugene’s daughter, Maria Teresa Doyle nee von Wellsheim, age 90, passed this along to her great-grandnephew, Zak Hoch:

1. She remembers being told a number of times that she was named after her grandmother. Obviously not her maternal grandmother as the names don't mesh. I'm trying to get confirmation from her sister Elizabeth on this. If true, it looks like the baron's mother was Maria Teresa von Plaschke-Wellsheim. Or something quite similar.

2. She recalled that before leaving Austria, her father vacationed in the South of the country fairly often. When pushed (and given the names of a number of places in the area), she said that Graz was the place, and seemed quite certain of the fact. Perhaps not the most valuable bit of information (if, indeed, it's true at all), but it further supports Eugene's having lived in Vienna, as it's only an hour or so away...

---------------------------------

I have tried to determine which universities Dr. Eugene attended by seeking the medical records that Dr. Eugene submitted in Illinois and Minnesota to gain approval to practice medicine. Those records have not been digitized, and I have been unable to obtain them as of yet.

Thank you so much for everyone’s help on this. The family tells me that the Baron was very tight-lipped about his background, and even his children did not know his Austrian family. This is probably due to his treatment during WWI here in the USA and England. His wife, Maria died in 1984, and there were no documents left to follow a trail to the Baronʼs European life and education.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

danenmary — 2012-12-27 18:01:02Z

I meant that I had typed incorrectly. I apologize for the error.

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2012-12-27 17:46:16Z

>>> jondavidmarsh Posted: 23 Dec 2010 1:55PM

I'm attaching the small article about Maria and her brother's visit to the Lombards in Switzerland. You can find out about Louis Lombard by Googling him. Haven't found any articles indicating a direct relationship to the Lux's, or possible connection between any of them to the Baron, but I'll keep looking. <<<

some light into the info:
Castle Trevano
Le Château de la Musique
in 1890 view of Castle Trevano, Lugano
Trevano castle built in the years 1871 - 1875 by Baron Paul von Derwies, the castle was given by the personality of the Russian industrialist soon an important, artistic reputation, and to designate the "Château de la Musique "led. After the death of Baron 1881 the castle was degraded to speculation dubious wheeler until 1900 owned by Louis Lombard, a wealthy American violinist and composer, again flourished. For nearly thirty years the center turn artistic activity, Lombard's death was in 1927, the castle terminal decline. It was again the object of speculation, during the Second World War to house refugees used and demolished in 1961 in possession of the Canton Ticino, despite good constructional state.
http://www.mbh-art.de/aktuelles/im-bereich-der-literatur/sch...
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&q=Lugano+Switzerland&am...
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3051476?uid=3737528&am...
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...

castle´s name about the family Trevani[Trevano, de Trevano]
stated since 1198 in Lugano:
http://www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/textes/d/D23555.php

a picture of the not longer existing castle at:
Oase der Gelehrsamkeit und der politischen Kultur
Von Regula Heusser-Markun, 12. November 2012
Das Castello di Trevano bei Lugano diente während der Kriegsjahre italienischen Flüchtlingen als Gymnasium. Nach dem Krieg war es kurzfristig Alija-Heim für jugendliche Überlebende, die nach Jahren im Konzentrationslager auf ihr neues Leben in Palästina vorbereitet wurden.
Oasis of learning and the political culture
of regulators Heusser-Markun 12th, November 2012
at the Castello di Lugano Trevano served during the war years as a high school for Italian refugees. After the war, it was short aliyah home for adolescent survivors, who were in concentration camps for years, prepared for their new lives in Palestine.
http://www.tachles.ch/magazine/artikel/aufbau/november-2012-...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2012-12-27 17:37:27Z

what do you mean WITH UNRULY FINGERS?
I must not do my best if someone is bothered by unruly fingers!
i only have seen "someone" has meanwhile changed the other title which was
"Praschke von Wellsheim" on top to Plasche like in info below
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Vo...;
now both fits with same PLASCHE!
i asked which one is correct Praschke or Plasche.
and so now - it´s corrected into Plasche.

and there was of sure no nobilty of Plasche von Wellsheim in former Austria-Hungary. you find not any in the nobility-lists we have here. only the "Neblinger Edle von Welsheim" like stated in a before posting......and at this nobility-forum of Austria.
http://www.coresno.com/forum/3-genealogie/4168-aw-baron-euge...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

danenmary — 2012-12-27 16:27:44Z

Thank you for heads up; unruly fingers!

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

Mohnbauer — 2012-12-27 16:26:44Z

this link shows his wife Maria was a nee Lux:
http://colorado-springs.vlex.com/vid/mary-elizabeth-von-john...

at Ellisisland 1913 he came from Vienna:
First Name: Eugene Von
Last Name: Wellsheim
Ethnicity:
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Jun 27, 1913
Age at Arrival: 36yr Gender: M Marital Status: W
Ship of Travel: Mauretania
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0030
line 30: http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fc...
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=WELLSHEI...

in 1914 he (born Prag) came with wife Maria, age 26 (born Utica N.Y.) and baby Eugene Joseph, age 6 months (born London):

First Name: Eugene
Last Name: Wellsheim
Ethnicity: Austria, German
Last Place of Residence: London, England
Date of Arrival: Nov 22, 1914
Age at Arrival: 37y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Philadelphia
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0024

First Name: Eugene Joseph
Last Name: Wellsheim
Ethnicity: Austria, German
Last Place of Residence: London, England
Date of Arrival: Nov 22, 1914
Age at Arrival: 6m Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Philadelphia
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0026

First Name: Maria
Last Name: Wellsheim
Ethnicity: Austria, Austrian
Last Place of Residence: London, England
Date of Arrival: Nov 22, 1914
Age at Arrival: 26y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Philadelphia
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0025

line 24,25,26: http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fc...

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

danenmary — 2012-12-24 17:12:50Z

I have a memorial for them on FindaGrave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Vo...;
Mary

Re: Baron Eugene von Plasche Wellsheim

DeBottisJ — 2012-12-24 00:41:55Z

Zak,

If you are still looking, here is a possible link for Neblinger Edle v. Welsheim [1] (IV-154):

http://www.coresno.com/adelsrecht/1123-wgt-n.html

Re: Kover Family

cindyblanchard911 — 2012-11-28 03:55:33Z

I have a grandmother born 1901 passed in 1972 marie kovar, her father was joseph kovar born 1880 her mom was mary langer born 1877. her one son Daniel slezak sr. (my dad) married margaret kozemchak . He has passed . my mom lives in levittown , pa. most all kovars in pa live in westmoreland twp. in PA.

Re: family heritage

djarmenti — 2012-09-12 12:27:14Z

I have a wedding picture of Mary Tonti and Loius Molnar......there MUST be connection, right?

Re: family heritage

djarmenti — 2012-09-12 12:27:09Z

I have a wedding picture of Mary Tonti and Loius Molnar......there MUST be connection, right?

Re: Siebmacher's Wappenbuch

FrelighGenealogy — 2012-09-10 21:07:37Z

Hi. I don't know if either of you ever found an answer. Here's a couple of websites with lists that might help. Is the "K" for "Katholisch" (Catholic) I wonder? The German words for directions are Nord, Sud, Ost, und West (you can kind of figure out what they mean). Is the "K" actually an "R" perhaps? If you really have "NRW", it would be an abbreviation for "Nordrhein-Westfalen" or the area of North Rhine-Westphalia.

Here's some links that might help:

http://www.eudict.com/?lang=engger&word=the%20six%20dire......)

http://www.german-translation-tips-and-resources.com/german-...

http://german.about.com/library/blabbrevN-Q.htm

Good luck!

Re: Cziráky family

sjurcsek1 — 2012-07-28 21:07:54Z

Hello, where can you find this online?

Re: Cziráky family - topic Denesfa

sjurcsek1 — 2012-07-28 21:07:00Z

I know this sounds crazy, but last year I met my uncle, 89 years old, who now lives in London. He told me that my grandmother, his mom, was Cziraky-Kis Ilona, and that we were related to the count from this area.

If the person that posted the genealogy could show me where I would love to investigate it on my own. I am taking Hungarian lessons and speak conversationally. I also go to Hungary every other year, and am looking forward to seeing the castle and area for myself.

My email is sjurcsek@yahoo.com, and I welcome any information people might have.

Thanks!

Steve Jurcsek

Re: Need help with Barczay barczai family

Mohnbauer — 2012-06-16 14:15:48Z

to nobility Barcsai-Barcsay
they are listed in Austria as being of austrian crownland Siebenbürgen/Transylvania, Romania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siebenb%C3%BCrgen

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yER7cyV...

history of the castle Deva in Romania.
Die Burg wurde von Georg Rakoczi 1657 an Akos Barcsai übergeben, der seinen Besitz darauf begründete. Später wurde er Fürst von Siebenbürgen. Als er das Land 1659 verlassen musste, überließ er die Burg seinem Bruder Kaspar Barcsai, Deva seiner Frau Elisabeth Szalanci. Als er ein Jahr darauf nach Siebenbürgen zurückkam, war seine Frau in Deva gestorben. In diesen Jahren war Deva, zusammen mit Burg Fogaras, Akos Barcsais sicherster Stützpunkt. Darauf kam sie in den Besitz des Fürsten Johannes Kemeny.
The castle was indicated by George Rakoczi 1657 to Barcsai Akos, who founded his property on it. Later he became Prince of Transylvania. When he had to leave the country in 1659, he left the castle to his brother Kaspar Barcsai, and Deva to his wife Elizabeth Szalanci. When he returned a year later, in Transylvania, his wife had died in Deva. In these years, Deva, together with Castle Fogaras, Akos Barcsais safest base. Then they came into the possession of Prince John Kemeny.
http://www.dickemauern.de/deva/gelie.htm

ruins of the castle Deva:
http://romania.night-ig.com/burgen.htm
http://www.travelbilder.de/rumaenien/deva/phpslideshow.php?d...
http://www.dickemauern.de/deva/bilie.htm
http://www.rumaenienburgen.com/transilvania/deva-info.htm

Re: Need help with Barczay barczai family

lenka_tichankova — 2012-06-10 21:12:19Z

My grandma ( born 1915 in Slovakia) married Mr. Bárczay. But I know nothing about him or his family......

Re: Amerling von Nemethy families

karlosalvarado1 — 2012-05-24 02:23:15Z

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Gracias

Re: Lehoczky v. Királylehota/Lehoczky-Semmelweis v. Lehotka u. Bisztricska

Mohnbauer — 2012-04-28 14:58:11Z

it´s a list for people of nobilty in the former austrian-hungarian Marine at time of austrian-Hungarian Empire:
Lehoczky de Kis-Ráko et Bisztriczka
Lehoczky v. Királylehota
Lehoczky-Semmelweis v. Lehotka u. Bisztricska
http://www.coresno.com/genealogie/113-hs1918/1733-hs1918-l.h...

http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/

you find some of this nobility in the list for Hungary = UNGARN in following link. take above the first coat of arms for Ungarn: www.edelleute.eu

Re: Count Esterhazy

marikamt — 2012-04-11 12:05:55Z

Katarina,

Forgive me, but I am a little confused... my grandmother and grandfather did not have any other children that were left behind in Hungary. Can you please give me some more information about your grandfather and why you believe him to be the son of my grsndfather??

thank you!
Marika