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Pezelj from Poglizza (Poljica) - Connection to families in Venice?

EdeP — 25 Mar 2004 10:36:22 GMT

The Principality of Poljica (Italian: Poglizza) was a couple of times under Venetian rule.

Venice recognized the noble families of Poljica. So there must be some records of them. Furthermore some of said families flew to Venice because of attacs of the Ottoman empire. As they were under Venetian rule, a lot of them had Slavic and Italian writing of their names.

What's the Italian version of Pezelj (is it Piccoli?). Any help or discussion is appreciated

Many thanks n advance! Regards,
Eduard Pezelj

Marchese Of St Agata

Marc Swinburne — 5 Feb 2005 1:23:15 GMT

I wonder if anyone can help me because at the moment I have no idea where to start looking, so maybe here is a good place !
I have recently discovered proof to a story that my grandma has been telling me all my life ! that my great great grandma was the Marchese of StAgata, born in Naples in 1823, daughter of Prince Ruffano.Her name was Louisa B. Conolly (Luisa B. ??? in Italy perhaps ) after her marriage to Charles Thomas Conolly a prominent Irish businessman when they moved to England and lived at Midford Castle near Bath. Can anyone shed any light on who she was, who Prince Ruffano was, what was her family name etc. Apparently my grandma actually knew her but she is dead now and I have only recently got the urge to research this project. Hope someone can help me.

Thanks
Marc Swinburne ( England)

Peter Carl Barnett Barnato or Barnato

Christine Barnato — 12 Mar 2006 7:59:08 GMT

We are trying to compile a family tree. My husbands father was Peter Carl Barnato. Born 1899. We understand that he had connections with Italian nobility...Bardon de Bourbon (or similar) He was disowned by his parents for not marrying the chosen bride...and all the finer details went to the grave with him. He was born in South Africa, evidently registered in France, but because we do not have parental details we cannot pursue further. He spoke of the film Bitter Rice being shot in the grounds of his family home....this was shot in the Piedmont area around 1949. Anyone with ANY information...please speak up!!

Ziani de Venezia

Tibor Vorosmarty — 28 Dec 2005 5:53:33 GMT

Would anyone know anything about the Ziani (Xiani) family from Venice. From what I know, our family is descended from the Marc'Antonio Ziani who moved to Vienna. Some paper was improperly recorded and became M.A.Xiani and the name became, officially, Maxiani - later Hungarianized to Maksziányi. My great grandmother, born in Budapest, retained some sort of title from Italy, was friends with King Umberto, and derived income from some sort of winery estate in Italy and travelled all over the world. Does anyone know what title the Ziani (Xiani's) could of had? Or would anyone know where I could begin to just start tracing back a tree? Nothing seems to be available for this family even though they were very important in Venetian History. Also..anyone know of why the X was replaced with a "Z" somehow? Thanks!!

Who is an Italian noble?

Esteban Trento — 5 Sep 2003 12:32:37 GMT

I once read that only does who descend from an Italian recognized as a noble by the late Kingdom of Italy (1866-1946) may rightfully use the title. What do you think? What about nobles of former Italian States which did not recognized the King of Sardinia as King of Italy, such as the famous Black Nobility of the Papal States???
I would appreciate your comments.
Regards,

de Liette Family of 1600's Versailles, France; and Italy

F0CUS0NINFINITY — 27 May 2007 6:07:25 GMT

I descend Michelle de Liette de Juzan of the King's cabins, Versallies, France; by her son, Mobile, Alabama, marine aide Maj. Pierre Gabriel de Juzan. He was kin to Canadian marine, aide Maj. Charles Pierre de Liette, both killed 1730's Battles of Ackia, Tupelo, Missisippi Military District. They bere kin to the de Tonty family of France (from Italy) and colonial America. The de Liettes and de Tonty's, in Paris, were called "Ancient Italians". The de Tonty family "invented" the de Tonty system of insurance.

Don Sciopone di Sangro

pgiangaspero — 14 May 2006 7:59:03 GMT

I recently came across some information about a Duke of Casacalenda (listed as a Barone), who was listed as Sciopone di Sangro. It lists his posession, land, animals, palace for the year of 1742. I tried to find out what happen to him, I have read on some web-sites that he died in the late 1700's and his only son died in the early 1800's?

Sicilian Nobility

Lili Ballistreri — 3 Mar 2006 5:25:43 GMT

I need some information on the House of the Kingdom of Two Sicily's. Before Sicily joine the Republic of Italy they were their own separate Kingdom with a monarchy

Duke of Giovinazzo

Pat Giangaspero — 14 Dec 2005 5:39:13 GMT

I came across the nobility in the town of Giovinazzo, near the town of Bari. I had found that there was a duke of Giovinazzo Domenico Del Guidice, Prince of Cellamare who was born in 1695 from the parents of Don Antonio Del Guidice and Donna Anna Camilla. Doen any know any more information about this nobility and what happened to them. I think the nobility ended with Domenico in 1770?

Art history movie

monetmelly — 28 Oct 2005 8:10:28 GMT

There's a new art history movie out recently on DVD about Modigliani and his life. He was Picasso's rival painter, a half italian, half Jewish man who ran into problems with his lover's father because of his heritage. It looks pretty interesting. I haven't seen it yet, but I've been over to the movie website: www.modiglianithemovie.com to check out the trailer and it looks pretty good. Has anyone had a chance to see the movie yet? Or even heard about it?

Authenticating a title for a Saladino

Saladino — 13 Jul 2005 11:08:46 GMT

Alright I have(like I'm sure a lot of people have) grown up hering about how my great grandfather and his parents had land and titles over in sicily before they moved to America. I've done a lot of research and finally found the Saladino name listed in Libro d'Oro della Nobilta Italiana, Enciclopedia Storico-Nobiliare Italiana , and on http://www.famiglia-nobile.com/ and http://www.castellammareonline.it/main3/nobili01.html

How can I go about authenticating the title and possibly claiming it?

Who is "Marchese Dias Torqas Vicere Di Napoli"?

Jennifer — 15 Mar 2005 9:55:52 GMT

Does anyone know who "Marchese Dias Torqas Vicere Di Napoli" is? We have an old painting of him in our home in Norway but have been unable to find out anything about him or trace the artist.

Venice

Ford Mommaerts — 4 Nov 2003 4:00:55 GMT

Why is it so hard, or rare, to find anything on the Venetian nobility/patriciate? In particular I'm seeking Dogeal families - e.g.: Morosini, Orseolo, Dandolo, Sanudo, Candiano, etc. Also, why is it so difficult to find the ITALIAN Frangipani, papal ancestors?

Venice

Stanford Mommaerts — 10 Jan 2004 7:01:00 GMT

After years, I am still looking for information on the following families: Dandolo, Sanudo, Contarini, Michiele, Gradenigo, Orseolo, and other Venetian patrician families. Can anyone help?

researching my title

DONATELLO ANGELINA — 22 Apr 2005 8:09:15 GMT

i am a decendent of the torelli family from naples italy.and have known that my family is in some way related to the royal family of naples.our villa is located on land that was once part of the royal palace located in capodimonte.

i am trying to determine if i am entitle to a title and if so how i may formally obtain

Origins of surname SCLAFANI

HuntressDi57 — 26 May 2005 2:13:02 GMT

Hi, I was told that my SCLAFANI line, originated with either Roger I or Roger II (di Hauteville), King of Sicily circa 1087.
Would anyone happen to know were the connection is, of which took place prior to the late 11th century with Antonio (aka. Giovanni) SCLAFANI, of whom was the father of Matteo SCLAFANI.

Any assistance is deeply appreciated :)
-Diana Sclafani
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sclafani_FamilyConnection

Count Ranfone

Mike — 8 May 2005 9:13:00 GMT

I saw this on a website and was wondering if anyone knows who Ranfone da Conza is? "Ranfone from Conza murdered the frank challenger" and there is a mention of a Count Ranfone "che videro l'eroico sacrificio del conte Ranfone ucciso a tradimento per mano nemica"

Count Ranfone

Mike — 8 May 2005 9:12:58 GMT

Rocchetta / Rochetta family, Naples

Julia Gasper — 23 Feb 2005 11:06:25 GMT

I am trying to find out anything about a woman called the Principessa della Rocchetta living at Naples in 1740. Was she Italian? Spanish? Related to the Incisa della Rochetta family? Was she a real princess? Are there any birth/ death/marriage records?
I would be very pleased to hear any suggestions. Grazie!

Dolci noble family

Quinto L. Dolci — 24 Jan 2005 11:42:11 GMT

Where can I find information about the noble family and their castles. Thank you.

postal address for the Corpo della Nobiltà Italiana

Quinto L. Dolci — 24 Jan 2005 11:36:10 GMT

Where can I find the postal address for Corpo della Nobiltà Italiana and societies that recognized titles? Thank you.

King Ferdinand of Naples

pgiangaspero — 24 Nov 2004 8:17:45 GMT

I have recently come across a document from the village I was researching. This document translated referred to a Friar (lived in the 16th century) Who's father was called Giusto from Cascalenda and his grandfather was Giovanni of Aragon. It listed that Giovanni brother was King Ferdinand of Naples.
Would anyone know who this King was ?

Svevia Nobility?

Silvia Corradin — 29 Nov 2004 1:50:08 GMT

My aunt told me that her grandmother gave her a ring when she was a little girl, that, she told her, came from our ancestry, which is from 'Svevia'. I looked it up and Svevia, in the 1500s or earlier, encompassed parts of France and other nearby countries, but I cannot find anything regarding their families per se. Anyone heard of this? The ring is now in the possession of one of my cousins, which, for the life of me, still hasn't appraised it or dated it. Please email me!!! Thanks so much!

Anyone have info on the Venetian family Vendramin?

angelaas525 — 11 Aug 2004 10:51:11 GMT

Does anyone know anything about the Venetian family Vendramin? I know that one was a Doge. Does anyone have any other info?

Illegitimate Italian Royals, esp. Savoy

Morgan Lintereur — 12 Jul 2004 8:30:24 GMT

While most of the other royal houses of Europe acknowledge their illegitimate offspring, giving them lands and titles, Italian nobility act as though it never happened. Yet, according to my research, Vittorio Emanuele II virtually maintained a maternity ward at Montcalieri Castle near Turin for his "breeding ladies". Seems that the good King liked to slip off into the foothills to go hunting and didn't like to spend the nights outdoors alone. If you're a peasant and the King knocks on your door, you don't turn him out! It is said that he could have populated a small village. One of my ancestors was one of his sons and I would very much like to know his mother's name, when he was actually born, etc. [Vittorio took good care of his children, but they were under strict orders to conceal their true parentage to the rest of the world.]

Any clues as to where I might start looking? Thus far, I've found two of them, but surely someone [most likely on the other side of the pond] has researched the subject thoroughly.

So Little Information to Go On

vickisalvoni — 14 Oct 2005 5:13:09 GMT

My great-grandmother was supposed to be in the Italian Nobility. I have so little information, not even her last name. She was about sixteen around 1900, because the family story says she was presented with a ball gown that was hand beaded and cost about $900 at the time. She was quoted as having said, "You expect me to wear THIS?!?!" and tore it to pieces with her bare hands.

Later she fell in love with a Roman commoner and married him in spite of her family's wishes. She was disowned. She and her husband moved to Chicago and opened an ice cream factory where they became quite wealthy. They returned with my grandmother to Italy and lived in high style - thumbing their noses at her family. But suddenly the money stopped coming. They returned to Chicago to find the factory boarded up and their business partner long gone with the money. My grandmother ended up begging in the streets of Chicago when she was 5 years old. My great-grandmother was said to have gone slightly mad and died not long after.

I checked with the Chicago Historical Society, and all they have on record for ice cream factories around that time with Italian sounding names is Giani Brothers, but that wouldn't be anything identifiable to her.

I wish I had more information, but my dad died when I was 10 and his mother (the one who begged as a child in Chicago) died within the year following. I have nobody else to ask for names, as they have all died long ago.

I was hoping someone out there had heard the story of the tempestuous young woman who tore up an expensive gown, married a commoner, and was disowned. It's such a romantic story, it would be nice to know if it were true.

Thanks to anyone who might have heard this and can respond.

Vicki

salvona

arlene salvona — 25 Jan 2004 10:08:20 GMT

were trying to find out about our family name"salvona" one old aunt say's its from italian nobility, any one have any knowledge of this surname

Welcome

Esteban Trento — 5 Sep 2003 12:24:32 GMT

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