Sorry Russ. I am done. I have done all of this with you last September and not doing it again. All the books crash when I try to even create one, most of the reports do the same. I have gone through the techs with no success. I have a subscription to ancestry, so I will continue to work with it and FTM2012 until the subscription expires. I am checking out Legacy. It will import my tree and it makes the pdf's that I need. If I like the program and it works like its supposed to, I will transfer to it.