International Directories - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Reviewing NZDirectories

Paulmd199 — 2013-04-14 03:49:47Z

It's up to you. If you feel you are able to complete it, you may do so in review.

But if you feel there's too much missing, you may reject it. (on the menu, select Review-> Reject)

Reviewing NZDirectories

cruzan1984 — 2013-04-14 02:54:31Z

The keyer did not completely finish keying the set I am reviewing. What do I do with it?

Re: NZ - "freezing" fyi

chrisdoran1 — 2013-03-16 02:54:14Z

Inserting a new name when you've missed one out also takes a looong time. If it's near the end of a section, adding it at the end and then moving it up is a lot faster. Best to check each screen's-worth as you key and not just leave it all to the end.

If you use my trick of keying all the names in one section and splitting into sections for towns at the end (to take advantage of the multiple acceptance of names like Dvd not in the menu), then do the sectioning working backwards from the end to reduce the number of records moved each time.

WAP need to investigate the reason for the slowth. As a software engineer, I recognise this as a classic case of testing only with a small number of entries and/or on a higher spec machine than most customers have. Rewinding to the first image of a multi-image set for checking also takes an annoying length of time.

Re: Alphabetic Listings and repeated names

katerimmer — 2013-03-15 19:00:24Z

Just one section - the instructions for City say "Key the Town or City which appears in uppercase letters at the top of the image or at the beginning of a list of names." So you would not key a city or town name that appears after someone's name.

As far as I know, you would key the repeated names since they are different people.

Alphabetic Listings and repeated names

timpearce1971 — 2013-03-15 18:39:46Z

Hi,

Downloaded a set with the header Auckland Alphabetical Directory. It is an alphabetical list with Names and occupation as usual but then street address and town listed for every name. Town e.g's are Hmltn, Auc, Pokeno, Gisb, Howick, Whang Rural etc.

Do I just use one section headed Auckland (as I suspect) or a new section for each new town mentioned (would be at least a couple of hundred sections changing back and forward between towns).

Also there are many repeated names, obviously different people with differing occupations and different addresses (e.g. 5 different Wm Blake). Do I list all the names (in this case 5 lines of Wm Blake) or just one line and skip the repeats even though they are different people.

Many thanks

Tim Pearce

NZ - "freezing" fyi

Paulmd199 — 2013-03-15 02:45:09Z

Some of you may have noticed a problem when loading review sets, or returning to edit keyed sets, that the program appears to freeze. It's not actually frozen, it just takes a very long time to open large sets. Sometimes on the order of minutes. please be patient.

Re: New Zealand Directories - Section headers

timpearce1971 — 2013-03-08 10:05:37Z

Thanks for the replies I originally went for the no section header version but then thought to hard and changed it to what I said above, I'll change it back.

Thanks again

Tim

Re: New Zealand Directories - Section headers

chrisdoran1 — 2013-03-08 03:43:50Z

The instructions for entering the City state that if the image (i.e. page) header is of the form "... Towns Directory" (as this is) then the city names are in the body of the image, so I agree with Paul and would key City for the first names as [blank] (i.e. from the menu or press ctrl/B). WAP will fill in this field as a continuation from the previous page when they put the whole project together.

I think we've been told to ignore "Rural delivery" headers (and also suburbs and towns with no names), so follow Williams immediately by Aldridge in the same [blank] section.

Start a new section only when you reach a header like the "Russel, Auckland" one, which should be entered like that (without the quotes).

If you've already started a new section for Runciman, use the tool's [X] button to delete it and accept the offer to append the names you've typed to the first ([blank]) section.

Happy keying.

Re: New Zealand Directories - Section headers

Paulmd199 — 2013-03-08 02:32:20Z

I'd leave the header for the first section blank, it ought to be a continuation of a previous town, probably also starting with R.

New Zealand Directories - Section headers

timpearce1971 — 2013-03-07 13:03:55Z

Hi,

Most questions I've had answered through the wiki or board but stuck with this one.

My query is about section headers, this is a clip from the top left hand corner of the page.

Should the first few names (until the Runciman-Bluff Hill-Karaka header) be listed in a section headed Auckland, and then a new section headed Runciman be started from that point?

Many thanks

Tim Pearce

Re: NZ Directories - Business Listings with other related Businesses Included

jrmcconkey — 2013-01-25 21:21:58Z

By the way, don't hold your breath waiting for someone to review your work. I put in a batch before Christmas that still hasn't been checked. And in the meantime those records are classed in your project dashboard as "needs improvement" (due to a software bug) - and this drags down your average.

Re: NZ Directories - Business Listings with other related Businesses Included

katzmmeeooww — 2013-01-25 20:28:57Z

Thank you both for your replies. It's so nice to have help. There are so many different situations on each project and sometimes it's a little bit confusing.

Re: NZ Directories - Business Listings with other related Businesses Included

jrmcconkey — 2013-01-25 19:52:12Z

I agree. I think the objective of this project is to list as many names as possible of NZ individuals and businesses.

Re: NZ Directories - Business Listings with other related Businesses Included

cruzan1984 — 2013-01-24 19:30:10Z

Kathryn:

I would include all the companies listed, plus all the names and businesses associated with the primary company. I see this a lot with insurance companies. Pick out individual names and list them according to their firms.

Hope this helps.

NZ Directories - Business Listings with other related Businesses Included

katzmmeeooww — 2013-01-24 17:15:33Z

This is the first one I have seen like this, but I don't know how common it is. I listed W E C Reid and Co as a business and W E C Reid, G W Reid, C Penman, L M Satterthwaite, and A K Ibbotson as individuals on separate lines. I was following the instructions for businesses with proprietors listed.

What do I do about all the businesses named in the listing? There are several similar listings where accounting firms have listed all the other businesses they are associated with.

And if I do list them, would I also pick out individual names as well (like W P Warner)?

I am attaching a second image as well.

Re: New Zealand Directories

BobbieKostis — 2012-12-23 19:28:54Z

Your welcome, anytime!

Re: New Zealand Directories

cruzan1984 — 2012-12-23 19:22:37Z

Thank you, Bobbie.

Re: New Zealand Directories

BobbieKostis — 2012-12-23 18:13:25Z

Ignore the rural routes and continue keying in the section until a new town shows up.

New Zealand Directories

cruzan1984 — 2012-12-22 19:17:34Z

I have a set where the first page is headed as Ashburton Street Directory, but near the end of the page, records change to Rural Delivery, plus multiple towns. The records of the inhabitants are alphabetical. The name of the towns are included with each individual resident name and occupation.

The second page has a heading of New Zealand Towns. The Rural delivery continues onto that page, plus there are two other Rural Directories with further towns listed on that page.

Do I create three separate sections for the RD? Thanks for your input.

Re: NZ - characters in brackets after names

Paulmd199 — 2012-12-20 21:09:06Z

I was drawn to the biggest name on the image, like a moth to flame....

Yes, I think the (SA) is skippable.

Re: NZ - characters in brackets after names

katerimmer — 2012-12-20 19:11:36Z

But what John is asking about is these from the image he posted:

24 Hildreth Aln (SA)
23 Phillips Alfrd (SA)
25 Forsberg Cecil (SA)

Re: NZ - characters in brackets after names

Paulmd199 — 2012-12-20 18:49:19Z

There should be a sample of these on the wiki page.

The letter after the business is the initial of the proprietor.

You'll sometimes see it where its clearer.

As in McClaskey and Sons, Jno

It's keyed as a separate line.

As in

Surname: McClaskey
Given: Jno

Re: NZ directory last name

jrmcconkey — 2012-12-20 18:26:25Z

and that's a great tip - I hadn't thought of searching for a neighbour whose name I could read!

Re: NZ directory last name

jrmcconkey — 2012-12-20 18:23:44Z

Wow, I would never have guessed that from the image! Merci beaucoup, Kate ;-)

Re: NZ directory last name

katerimmer — 2012-12-20 17:33:43Z

It is Gotts:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1836&...

I checked one of the other people on the page, Ralph Suckling, and he was at no 24 Bengal Street, so it's definitely the right person.

NZ directory last name

jrmcconkey — 2012-12-20 17:01:41Z

Would someone like to have a shot at guessing the last name of Edgar W (living at #23)? I've been through all the G's in the New Zealand electoral registers and not found any name that might fit. The first char must be a G and the next char is probably an O. The third char is tricky (I or L?), the 4th looks like a G whilst the fifth could be any choice from a bunch of chars. Then the question arises - is there a 6th char? Thanks for any ideas.

Re: NZ - characters in brackets after names

kateshort2 — 2012-12-20 04:09:46Z

(Some of us only have time to check in every few days, especially this time of year.)

I thought this might've been answered back during Part 1 of this project, but if so I can't quickly find it.

For clergy, that's definitely the denomination and can be skipped. (I believe you'll also see RC.) However, for people not explicitly identified as clergy, I'm not sure that's a safe assumption. "Salvation Army" is one (likely) interpretation of "(SA)", but if that's the correct interpretation, I'd call that a business/organization (and thus keyable) rather than a religious denomination (and thus skippable).

Re: NZ - characters in brackets after names

jrmcconkey — 2012-12-20 02:36:43Z

Wow - still no replies? Is nobody watching this board or does nobody have an answer? Anyway I think I've figured it out. One of the entries was for a Rev so my conclusion is that (M) means Methodist, (P) means Presbyterian and (SA) is Salvation Army. Strange that 3 Salvation Army members live next door to each other! So the bottom line is I ignore any bracketed characters when they refer to religions.

NZ - characters in brackets after names

jrmcconkey — 2012-12-17 23:06:55Z

I'm seeing a few instances of names followed by 1 or 2 characters in brackets. Normally something in brackets is a company name and would be keyed on a separate line. But these don't look like companies. Anyone have an idea what they mean and if they should be keyed?

Re: NZ Directories Query

katerimmer — 2012-11-08 17:10:35Z

Googling suggests that Mabel School may be the name of a place, rather than a school.

But I would still key it as a business in case the above is wrong!

Re: NZ Directories Query

wiedwoman — 2012-11-08 16:50:27Z

It may be that they live in a school district.

Re: NZ Directories Query

chrisdoran1 — 2012-11-08 14:54:50Z

Given that we aren't supposed to assume anything about abbreviations, I think you have to key all the variants on Mabel School. I'm a bit curious as to why all these farmers are at a school, though. If it were a farming college, they'd be called lecturers, surely?

I agree we don't key the place names as shown, but it was decided in the previous run of the project that if it says Somewhere Station, then that's a farm = a business, and so should be keyed.

Re: NZ Directories

family29hunter — 2012-11-07 21:33:40Z

I reloaded the page and it's still blank. I wondered why my stats went down to Excellent.

Re: NZ Directories

annafechter — 2012-11-07 19:57:11Z

There are sometimes connection difficulties between the widget and the project data. Wait a little and try refreshing.

NZ Directories

family29hunter — 2012-11-07 15:44:57Z

I noticed this morning that my accuracy rating has disappeared for this project. Is it a bug on that page; all the rest seem to be okay.

Re: NZ Directories Query

pjfogarty — 2012-11-06 22:16:32Z

Mabel School I would key(just once). The others I "googled" and found out they are little towns which aren't keyed.

NZ Directories Query

kgawne66 — 2012-11-06 20:10:59Z

See attached. Have just come across this for the first time. I think the names behind the person's name represents a place (or is it a business?). How are these keyed? Do we just ignore the name of the place and key the names?
thanks;
Kathie

Re: NZ Directories-Business Names

chrisdoran1 — 2012-10-21 22:03:55Z

I would key the Robinsons example exactly as seen, leaving the (Dunedin) where it is, and including the parentheses. Company names of this format are quite common, indicating a branch office or date of (re-)formation. But no one would put the initial The or owner's initials last on their letterhead or over the door -- that's just a directoryism we fix.

Re: NZ Directories-Business Names

pgift1977 — 2012-10-21 03:06:47Z

I'm sorry. I misread and thought you were asking about (the). Been that kind of a week! I do put them at the beginning as the initials and (the). I don't know the "official" ruling on it though.

Re: NZ Directories-Business Names

kgawne66 — 2012-10-20 15:47:44Z

Thanks for the info. did see that in the discussion section regarding (The) and intials in ( ), but didn't know if if held true for locations, or if locations should go at the end, or key them in the place where they are written.

Re: NZ Directories-Business Names

pgift1977 — 2012-10-20 15:31:03Z

In the question/answer section of the Discussion tab, someone asked something similar. The advice was to key the (the) at the beginning as we do with initials back in Feb. I don't know if it's the same for this go round or not.

NZ Directories-Business Names

kgawne66 — 2012-10-20 15:23:29Z

In the attached, when locations are given in parentheses, for keying purposes, is the location moved to the beginning of the business name as we do for a person's initials or for the word (The)?
Didn't see anything about this on the discussion section of the Wiki.
thanks;
Kathie

Re: New Zealand Directories

Paulmd199 — 2012-10-19 15:36:07Z

We will want to key L J Murray.

Re: Another NZ Directories Question

Paulmd199 — 2012-10-19 15:35:09Z

Yes, we put it in the next line.

Another NZ Directories Question

kgawne66 — 2012-10-19 15:02:42Z

The directions state not to list the occupation behind a person's name. But when a business is listed after someone's name, do we key that business? In the attached, "The Gresham htl" is after the name-probably where the person works.

Thanks;
Kathie

New Zealand Directories

kgawne66 — 2012-10-19 14:51:46Z

See attached where it lists L J Murray as the genreal manager for the life insurance company. When a Business is listed and then the description for that business lists a proprietor/owner, etc, are we to key that persons name? Thought the directions said not to, but having gone back to double check, I can't find anything that says we should or shouldn't key the names from business descriptions.

Thanks;
Kathie

Re: Now you have me worried...

pgift1977 — 2012-10-14 17:57:59Z

With these, you'll have to override a lot. Nearly all of one I submitted recently was green.

Re: Now you have me worried...

Paulmd199 — 2012-10-14 16:04:48Z

Would that we could, you'll just have to take you lumps when it comes up for review.

We've all had to take a few lumps, I'm sure I've got an impressive collection of my own.

Re: Now you have me worried...

Paulmd199 — 2012-10-14 16:01:43Z

Not so bad, but you did make the mistake of assuming that the lists are always complete. And of expanding abbreviations.

Many small towns just aren't on the list, override when necessary and don't worry about it. To override, press f7, (if you are on a mac, that's command-7)

When it says Jos, key Jos, When Jas, key Jas, When Dvd, Key Dvd. Again you will sometimes have to override.

Re: Now you have me worried...

bevstubbs1 — 2012-10-14 16:00:48Z

Hi

Unfortunately no way to get it back.

One of the first things to ask is have you read the keying standards which tells you how to key entries.

One of the first rules is 'key what you see' abbreviated names are keyed as they are and not expanded. In addition the suggested entries (drop down box) (wikiwiki) is just that - a suggestion. Again, you should key as seen unless the field help or project instructions tell you differently.

http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_...

If you review the keying standards on how to enter data your accuracy rating will soon improve.

For every project you do you should also regularly read the field helps and Wiki page for that project.

Happy keying