International Records - French - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Key just the record shown

Paulmd199 — 2013-03-11 02:49:05Z

I can see several ways how. but no real reason why....

On a Multiple monitor system you can put the image viewer on the other monitor and transcribe from it, and it won't disappear.

Re: Key just the record shown

katerimmer — 2013-03-10 15:14:07Z

Yes, the image viewer is in a different window, but they could have noted down all the information from it then read it back from their notes to key it in?

Re: Key just the record shown

GlenysPhilyaw57 — 2013-03-10 14:36:06Z

I deleted all the extra lines and corrected the mistakes for the first few sets I had, then rejected the last 2 sets -as I thought that might penalize the keyer more than just 'did not key as seen'!

I tried to replicate keying like that, but when I tried it using the image viewer the image disappeared when I started to key.

Re: Key just the record shown

Jeni_Mason — 2013-03-10 10:00:03Z

I guess they are keying the 5 cards using the Image Viewer at the top - would CTRL+C followed by CTRL+V actually copy this to the other cards I wonder? Hypothetical, I'm not going to try it! Just a thought - presumably the keyer is being credited with 25 records per set rather than 5. Do they then not get penalised by error count if we delete the excess whole lines? They will be penalised for the remaining 5 records though, as there are lots of errors.

Re: Key just the record shown

katerimmer — 2013-03-09 23:41:56Z

It could be done by viewing all the images in the set one by one in a separate window while going through the image set keying all the records onto each image, but I can't imagine why someone would do this.

Re: Key just the record shown

GlenysPhilyaw57 — 2013-03-09 21:22:58Z

Jeni - I was about to post the same thing!

I had one a few days ago and thought it was a one-off, but I 've had 3 more today.

I am really curious as to how this happened? I can't see a way to do this!

Key just the record shown

Jeni_Mason — 2013-03-09 19:28:58Z

I've never seen this before - but someone has keyed all 5 cards on one record. I thought the others would be blank but they have repeated this for each card in the set and then re-ordered them so the card shown is at the top. Whoever is doing this - you are making a lot of work for yourself! Just hope whoever it is reads this.

Edited to add: there are keying errors too eg expanding abbreviations, omitting arrondisment numbers for Paris addresses etc

Re: Arrondissement Numbers won't key

Ijh_wrh — 2013-02-08 22:09:47Z

It only really happens on the 11th. So I just added a text file to cut and paste, along with whatever months have diacriticals. Just quirky i guess

Re: Arrondissement Numbers won't key

EloiseChester — 2013-02-08 19:24:58Z

I work on a PC, but when I type in the Arrondissement Number and Paris as the last entry for an image, the same thing happens. Either click on "more" and finish typing the data in the new box and click OK to fill the record box; or enter the Arrondissement Number and Paris before you key any of the other data in any of the other boxes

Arrondissement Numbers won't key

Ijh_wrh — 2013-02-01 03:40:55Z

I'm on a Mac and I can not get the arrondissement numbers to "take" - if I follow instructions and attempt to key "11 Paris", I am immediately thrown to the menu that drops down from the middle top of the screen with the wildcards and suggestions. Very very very frustrating.

Latest errors in review

GlenysPhilyaw57 — 2013-01-12 02:42:57Z

Please leave the field helps open.

For the Residence field, just enter the commune name, or if there is an arrondissement number - enter this number followed by the word 'Paris'. If there is a stamped place name on the top or bottom of the card this should be entered in the residence field.

Please do not enter the street address or the postal/zip code for Paris.

If there are diacriticals on names and places - these must be entered.

Do not expand abbreviations - key exactly what you see. The only exception to this is the Month field - key the month from the drop down menu.

Thanks!

Re: French voter registration cards

bjwebb3749 — 2013-01-06 18:10:06Z

Someone is seeing a department as Loire Guf. It should be Loire Inf.

Re: French voter registration cards

bjwebb3749 — 2013-01-06 17:55:01Z

Watch out for the cards where the year is stamped at the bottom of the card. Just about all of the cards for 1910 were done that way.

Re: French voter registration cards

bjwebb3749 — 2013-01-06 12:52:51Z

Don't let the drop down lists dictate what you key. They are only an aid to the keyer, not the law. As said, key what you see on the original card.

Re: French voter registration cards

kateshort2 — 2013-01-05 21:59:29Z

If they are there, key 'em; if they aren't there, leave them off. If this results in something that isn't in the dropdown dictionary, then F7 it and move along. In other words, "key as seen".

Re: French voter registration cards

laurieahrens — 2013-01-05 21:41:26Z

I just started entering these records and read through all of the previous posts before starting :) One question about the diacritical marks -- I am finding no marks on many of the original entries, but there is supposed to be according to the prompt and to the cities list link. Do I type as seen or do I type the correct version with diacritical marks? I realize that the diacritical marks are required when printed, but should they be added? Thanks!

Re: French Electoral Cards

bjwebb3749 — 2012-11-30 12:57:22Z

I went through the same thing about a month ago. Only difference was that I had 60 sets I had to reject. Not fun!

French Electoral Cards

GlenysPhilyaw57 — 2012-11-30 12:54:34Z

I know we have a French project board, but I'm hoping more people will see this!
I just had to reject about 30 sets where the keyer had keyed only the name (and keyed only in capital letters). If you are a new keyer to this project - please read the field helps, the wiki and general keying standards.
Would love to see more keyers on this project - still only 15% completed after 18 months!

Re: Electoral Cards. MA Abbreviation

Jeni_Mason — 2012-11-09 16:52:52Z

I think "M A" may stand for Maître Auxiliare, ie Uncertified Teacher. Also if the cards you were doing were 1921/22 then 1901 is likely to be the stamp for birth year. At age 21 it would have been the first time these people could vote and it seems they may have stamped up a load of cards for use and amendment with full date of birth later. I haven't seen any election years stamped other than at the top of the card or those with 1910 when they are stamped at the bottom of the card as part of the Commune and Département.

Re: Electoral Cards. MA Abbreviation

chrisdoran1 — 2012-11-09 15:45:23Z

Thanks for your reply, but it was beaten by the witching hour, so I did key it as seen as a Départment; it can be removed by the arbitrator. I suspect the 1901 wasn't his DoB either, but rather the election date, as they surely wouldn't have had a set of handstamps for DoBs. In future I must take more careful note of where these MAs appear and try to elucidate what they mean.

Re: Electoral Cards. MA Abbreviation

chicodo — 2012-11-09 12:11:08Z

No I don't think so. "M A" if more often located on the Profession line, and I believe it is an abbreviation for a profession, although I haven't been able to figure out exactly what it is an abbreviation for. I would not key it as a Départment.

Electoral Cards. MA Abbreviation

chrisdoran1 — 2012-11-05 18:33:36Z

I think I've seen this handstamp at the bottom and ignored the MA (like PSA etc), but is MA really a Département?

French voter registration cards

bjwebb3749 — 2012-09-28 13:55:27Z

The diacritical marks are required. If they are left off, what you have keyed is not correct.

Latest errors seen in review

GlenysPhilyaw57 — 2012-09-28 13:24:25Z

I'm seeing a lot of errors lately while reviewing... please keep the field helps open!

There have been a lot of errors regarding the residence field: I'm seeing cards where the arrondissement number is clearly there, but nothing has been entered. Also, please do not try to decipher the street address. The only entry needed in residence field is the name of the commune, or the arrondissement number (only 1 through 20) followed by the word Paris. If either of these two things are not there, just leave the field empty... no need to mark it 'blank'.

Regarding the department field: all of the departments are in the drop down menu. Sometimes they are abbreviated - if so, please key as seen. The only exceptions to the departments in the drop down menu are the old departments of Charente Inferieure, Seine Inferieure and Loire Inferieure. These are usually abbreviated to Chte Inf, S Inf and L Inf. Sometimes you will have to key another country in the department field. Algerie, Russie and Belgique are the most common ones I have come across.

Lastly - there is no need to F7 every field - only first and last name if it stays pink after you have made your entry.

Thanks!

Re: French Electoral Cards

Paulmd199 — 2012-09-11 15:00:43Z

All you need to do is supply a disclaimer up front stating that the list is educational, but that the names should be keyed as written.

Re: French Electoral Cards

chicodo — 2012-09-11 11:24:47Z

You and Paul make a good point, and I wouldn't want to confuse anyone into assuming that they should not ultimately key all abbreviated names as seen. I'll step back and think about this some more before posting anything. I think supplying a list of common abbreviations can be helpful for new keyers; I for one struggled for some time over some abbreviations - it took me many attempts before I deciphered "Gve" (the abbrevation for Gustave). Also, there are some names seen over and over and others seen, but not as commonly; perhaps any list could be limited to the top 50.

Thanks for the feedback.
Dave

Re: French Electoral Cards

Jeni_Mason — 2012-09-11 08:50:38Z

I'm sure that a list of common abbreviations could be helpful for those who aren't familiar with French names, but key as seen as Paul said. My only concern is where you draw the line on these, it could turn into a monumental task. I downloaded a list of French men's names, just to assist my own attempts are reading some of the writing in the beginning - I would offer to share this but it runs to 20+ pages!!

Re: French Electoral Cards

Paulmd199 — 2012-09-11 05:29:47Z

We should be keying as read.

Lists like that are for educational purposes, and not and instruction.

Re: French Electoral Cards

gailmorrisondunford — 2012-09-11 04:13:07Z

That would be great. I am keying as read, but often tempted to expand name to full form.

Re: French Electoral Cards

chicodo — 2012-09-09 11:04:47Z

Hi, regarding your question about abbreviations, it appears to be very uncommon for prefixes and suffixes to be written. The only ones I have come across are "père" and "fils" (Father & Son). All abbreviations you see on the prenom lines are abbreviations of first names. The most common method of abbreviating names seems to be to write the first letter or letters of a given name followed by the last letter or letters omitting the middle ones, such as "Vor" for Victor, "Fois" for François, "Augte" for Auguste, or "Alexdre" for Alexandre. I have been thinking about compiling a list of common names and abbreviations for a while and your message has prompted me to pull one together and post it on the wiki page soon.

Re: French Electoral Cards

gailmorrisondunford — 2012-09-07 10:42:17Z

Glad to help if something comes up. I do speak and read French, so the cards are no problem. I speak some Russian--it was necessary when I visited that part of the world several times, and no one spoke English.

Re: French Electoral Cards

kateshort2 — 2012-09-06 02:27:33Z

For what it's worth, I can transcribe (and transliterate into Latin alphabet) typed Cyrillic-alphabet languages--as that's part of my day job--and can *sometimes* muddle through handwritten Cyrillic if it's printed/well-formed, though I don't speak a word of any Cyrillic-using language and would be as slow & inaccurate at finding useful data in a freetext paragraph of handwritten Russian as I am for the handwritten Italian of the Pavia records or the French of the electoral cards.

But if the Cyrillic pages were made into their own project, I could probably take a crack at them, too. (I can usually pick out names and probably also dates & places, but not much beyond that.) Maybe come up with some examples for other non-Russian-speakers to follow, too.

Re: French Electoral Cards

Paulmd199 — 2012-09-05 23:15:07Z

That's not uncommon. the lists, by their nature are not all inclusive.

Also... You can read Russian at all? might be handy for ushmm projects. Right now they are marking all the Russian language docs as "cover page"*. For lack of speakers and Russian language support within the tool.

*Or a "cyrillic" form that's nearly the same thing.

Re: French Electoral Cards

gailmorrisondunford — 2012-09-05 21:15:55Z

I can read printed Russian, slowly. My best friend was born there any might be willing to help.Once you master the alphabet, it's not that hard. I also use an electronic translator--had a Russian boyfriend for a longtime. It was a necessity to learn the langusge.

Re: French Electoral Cards

gailmorrisondunford — 2012-09-05 19:39:58Z

Did not know that about schools. I've been out for awhile. But the cursive is getting easier to read, the more I do.I'm glad it's not in Russian-I find it very hard to read the cursive in Russian. The letters are formed quite differently.Well. back to the cards. Thanks for everyones input.

Re: French Electoral Cards

gailmorrisondunford — 2012-09-05 19:35:54Z

Thanks for the input. I guess it would be hard to print with a fountain pen. The writing is getting easier to read the more
I do. Question-is it possible for a lieu de naissance not to appear in the drop down list? I had one very legible,but not in list. Thanks for all the help.

Re: French Electoral Cards

pjfogarty — 2012-09-05 00:50:01Z

And some schools aren't teaching cursive writing anymore. Just think, they'll struggle twice as much as us if they volunteer for indexing. In addition to the fancy cursive tab, Ancestry will add a plain old cursive tab from our grade school era!

Just a thought....just saying.....!

Re: French Electoral Cards

Paulmd199 — 2012-09-04 14:38:47Z

Yes, but ball point pens weren't really commercially viable before about 1950. And Typewriters weren't widely in use a hundred years ago either. And pencils aren't great.

But even with all modern innovations, to this day people still write in cursive. Sometimes with extra curse. Even on forms that say "please print".

Re: French Electoral Cards

gailmorrisondunford — 2012-09-04 11:49:27Z

Thanks, Paul. I realized what the squiggly number was after I wrote you. And I knew 7bre was Septembre, etc. Thanks. I will keep plugging along. Didn't they print 100 years ago. That would have made things so easy!!

Re: French Electoral Cards

Paulmd199 — 2012-09-03 17:03:09Z

There should be a sample of the squigly 5 on the wiki.

http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_...

also samples for things like 8bre being October, not August, etc.

you may wish to check the following board, instead, to see more on the project.

http://boards.ancestry.com/wap.intrecfrench/mb.ashx

French Electoral Cards

gailmorrisondunford — 2012-09-03 01:50:36Z

Not a brand new project, i know, but a few questions, if I may. I recently returned here after time offline due to hospitalization, and realized while the handwriting is not the easiest to read, the numbers also can be a challenge. Is there a key of old numbers penmanship, like there is for letters? And, also, a key for French prefixes ans suffixes? For example, Doctor, Senior, junior, Jean Smith the second, etc. If it was written out in French I could understand it, but each writer seems to have their own abbreviations. Thanks for any help. I am determined to get out of the " B "s this week.

Re: Electoral Cards -- Mystery Day

chrisdoran1 — 2012-08-20 23:16:20Z

Thanks, Kate. I made it 15, as that slash looked too posh to be a crossing out. But I have a nasty feeling I was a few seconds too late and it had timed out, as I don't think my record count changed. So someone else may get it anyway.

I changed .fr to .co.uk, and now my only option (logged in to .co.uk) is a Worldwide sub. Curious.

Re: Electoral Cards -- Mystery Day

katerimmer — 2012-08-20 22:10:45Z

Funny, it says they're free on ancestry UK site?
Anyway, I had a look through all the Batards and I couldn't find another card for him.

Re: Electoral Cards -- Mystery Day

chrisdoran1 — 2012-08-20 21:48:45Z

Thanks for the suggestions. No other card for him in this set or the next, but here is the whole card in case someone with the necessary sub (French or World)can look at the images at http://search.ancestry.fr/search/db.aspx?dbid=1974

The witching hour is fast approaching, but if anyone finds the answer, maybe the arbitrator will read it here.

Re: Electoral Cards -- Mystery Day

jackiewinchester1 — 2012-08-20 09:04:16Z

I wonder if its a 5 that's been crossed out.

Re: Electoral Cards -- Mystery Day

katerimmer — 2012-08-20 08:28:56Z

Could it be a 3? I haven't seen one like it before. I don't suppose there is another card for the same person to check it against?

Electoral Cards -- Mystery Day

chrisdoran1 — 2012-08-20 02:36:44Z

Any ideas what the day number is here? I'd have gone for 8 if it weren't so different from the 8 in the year. I came across the identical mystery symbol in an address, so I wonder if it's some convention of the time like the squiggly 5? An elided 15 is another guess.

Re: Electoral Cards. Help with Town Names

chrisdoran1 — 2012-08-05 15:35:49Z

Thanks, Jackie. The witching hour arrived so before my keying turned into a pumpkin, I've submitted with my best (but unlikely) guess / Toul. If anyone comes up with an idea for the first one, hopefully it can be corrected on arbitration.

I now have 20 more sets, including more mystery towns, so keep watching this space.

Re: Electoral Cards. Help with Town Names

jackiewinchester1 — 2012-08-04 19:56:04Z

The second one could be Toul. Still trying to work out the first one.

Jackie

Electoral Cards. Help with Town Names

chrisdoran1 — 2012-08-04 01:27:27Z

Any ideas on these two, please? Neither card has a Département name to help.